That which is "apparent" is actual existence.
You are saying all is ultimately false.
Nah, All is real AND TEMPORARY.
It is false only because it is TEMPORARY.
All that is seen to be apparently real IS REAL . . . but it is TEMPORARY.
The principle of everything's constitutional purpose is served out [throughout time] is NOT ABSLOUTE so it is TEMPORARY ---but just see that it is seen from the POV of a conscious soul who is Eternal and Absolute.
Are we talking philosophically or in actuality?
I am talking metaphysically ---I am talking for real in actuality, as in, the nature of how the Cosmos Manifests Itself.
I mean that the absolute cannot be universal, the two terms are contradictory.
This is not what is seen in existence. water absolutely is universally coveted.
The entire business industry is based on selling Stuff that is universally sought by all consumers. This is an absolute fact of Business enterprises Class 101.
"Build it and they shall come"
bhaktajan said: I am saying that the "maxim of God being a person" is reflected in all exchanges and permutations of existence.
Z replied: If god has an infinite base and we do too, then this is not the case. So again we have to define our basis so as to ascertain as to which perspective is truer.
All exchanges and permutations of existence form a journey for the evolution of the Souls' sensibilities toward higher stratums of sophistication and polished means of living . . . [add to this paradym, samsara (cycle of transmigration of the soul from birth to birth in various species of living creature as per accrued/cultivated Karmic pay back ~ the sanskrit word: '
karma-phalam', fruits-of-work) and one repeats the whole process in a dis-jointed series of consecutive births indifinitely until "salvation is sought out" via one of two catagories of spiritual paths: I - Nirvana; or, II - devotion to Godhead ---Where Godhead is concerned, the aspirant is best advised not to assign the Title of Godhead to any one accept thee Absolute truth. If There is a Godhead, then by definition, That Godhead would be the Absolute Truth Personified ---nothing else will due for the Absolute Truth as Godhead Personified or else, nirvana is second best sought out. Yet, of course, one can always plan to have a good, happy, & healthy 'next' future lifetime
too.
Humans are above the bestial.
But the common denouminators are as follows [per yogic doctrine]:
All living creatures do 4 catagories of activities which encompase all acts:
1 eat,
2 sleep,
3 mate,
4 defend.
If one's life does not 'transcend' these 4 catagorical activities then one life, at best can be called, 'Polished Animal Life' ---
not that there's anything wrong with that.
bhaktajan said:
The historical obseravtion is that "Knowledge/Sophistication/Culture/Intellect/Technology/Health skills/Sex know-how" -were all past down from outside sources.
We are all aboriginals ---and our 'Status Quo as Humans' was given to us by those that were already in the linage of those in-the-know.
Z replied:
Nah, knowledge was acquired over time, if god gave it to us, then he takes away the gift of self determination. Why would he need to when he knows we will learn.
Old Vedic adage:
"How do you know who your real father is? Ask your mother."
Ones' mother may not have belonged to the Labor Guilds, nor matriculated & graduated from a proper Trade School, nor successively cooked a decent meal ---and thus was bereft knowledge as passed down from generations that provided future generations old time trades secrets. But many a civilisation are a result of seeking technology & industry after the fact that they acquired the "know-how" from outside sources.
If you want to be a:
doctor, go to medical school.
carpenter, go to carpentry school.
electrics, go to electronic school,
chef, go to culinary school,
auto-mechanic, go to an automotive school
et al.
We acquire knowledge from the 'Descending Process' [not via an Ascending process] ---know-how is passed down person-to-person in chain-of-succession ---weather or not we belong to the clan in-the-know, or we are just hoping to gain entry to a particular skill-set.
bhaktajan said:
God is his own person! We ain't God. God is NOT a Baby Sitter. God is His own exclusive Person. We , as individual souls in the material world are tiny sparks of consciousness. God lives outside the Blackened Enclosure of this Cosmos we see in the night-sky beyond the stars. [No hyperbole intended here; it's stated in the Vedas].
Z replied:
So you say, but you cant have an infinite god like that. You have to define ‘gods space’ and ‘space’ then the duality betwixt, and also deny that god is infinite [without limit].
Every taxi Cab Driver must learn all the streets ---he can deliver his fare just anywhere that is nearest his favorite fishnchips. There is always this meditation-state that preoccupies our paths in life ---This is what is said before one is licensed to preform the duties of Cab Driver.
The Infinite that you refer to is made finite by your pronouncements.
Within this world there is a trenmenduosly large society of insects & beasts with an economy and stanard of living that is meant only for vicious, envious, brutish, canivorous, night-vision-seeing sort of folks. The evolution of the souls via the various stratum of living is infinitely varied . . . but is devoid of self-consciousness.
Self-realisation is knowing, 'we are spirits in a material world; in a material body; taking birthy after birth; sometimes as a Demigod, sometimes as a mule--due to karma accrued'.
God is his own person ---We are spirits in a material world; in a material body . . . in a place where TIME EXISTS.
God is 'Sat-chitta-ananda'. God is 'eternal-All cognisant-all blissfull' ---unlimitedly, God the Person is the original reservior of all Material Energies and Personal Traits too.
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Material world [aka, the sankrit word,
Maya., lit., mine all. Usually used to denote the idea of,
illusion] =
an empty space [brahman] that provide refuge for:
the 8 Manifest aggregates that comprise the elements of material energy
(grosser to subtiler: earth, water, fire, air,ether, mind, intelligence, false ego)
put in flux by the '
tri-gunas'
[aka, ying & yang & yung ---my wording. Tri-guna is exactly equal to the idea of ying-yang but there is a thirtiary factor, not just dual factors]
Impregnated by God's Surveying Glance with souls that will animate the material elements
where the co-factor of all material affairs are beholding to: TIME.
The over-arching quality of all of the above taken as a whole is that it all is:
Created, at the beginning;
Maintained, during its interm;
Desolved, at its end state.
Material Energy is Created, Maintained, and Desolved, at its end ---and then recycled back into the mix for endless permutations.
The souls that animate the material elements are minicule "PART-AND-PARCEL" fragments of Spirit-Energy.
Spirit-Energy = Sat-chit-anada.
Our soul is made of spiritual energy, but just a spark; a spark that is self-conscious, yet now encased in a FALSE-EGO (ergo the concominant 'Intelligence, mind, Body, et al) ---all transpiring in a realm where time stands supreme.
It is said, when we return to the
Timeless Eternal Kingdom of Heaven, beyond the
Temporal material world, even after billions of 'birth after birth reincarnations' of lives of base 'sense-gratification of all varieties'--- when we
return to the Heaven, it will be like we have only been fallen from heaven fror a brief moment.
Z replied: Not if emptiness = oneness! Then all aspects are within it in an undifferentiated manner.
The material world may seam dualistic but from what you say so is the divine. My feelings are that duality does not exists, it is only apparent.
/Is this what ex-president Clinton said about women?
"Existence? It depends what you mean by exist"
