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DTStrain said: do you consider consciousness to the same as "mind" and, if so, do you consider consciousness to be an epiphenomena of matter? ======= An epiphenomenom of anything is a secondary phenomenon accompanying another and caused by it.... so -yes. Consciousness as I think you use...

Thankyou for the excellent questions, Enkidu: "So, my question is, does a physical body explanation cover all situations that would arise within a medical or physiological situation? Also, how does the mainstream physical body explanation cover the issue of phantom limbs? [I'm sure you...

It is also useful, I think, to consider these words by the famous writer Milan Kundera. He once said in an interview: "The stupidity of people comes from having an answer to everything. The wisdom... comes from having a question for everything." The easiest way to become a slave is to say...

Consider these words of Q: "Everything has order. Order can only come from an orderly something. If anything is left to its own devices, the natural "order" of things is the Entropy effect. That is, to break down to the most basic simple state. But that does not happen. Everything repairs...

--- and please, in all friendliness, faithfulServant, consider the words of Hoffer: ""A doctrine insulates the devout not only against the realities around them but also against their own selves. The fanatical believer is not conscious of his envy, malice, pettiness and dishonesty. There is a...

'Love' is much over-rated it seems from all the quotations. I would care little for love if I was starving and someone gave me food. They may or may not love me... Both are equally likely. My point? It is actions, not declarations of love or hate which count. If some people feel a...

True wisdom lies in knowing the extent of one's own ignorance. (SR) ;)

It may be helpful, FaithfulServant, to consider Hoffer's words: ""A doctrine insulates the devout not only against the realities around them but also against their own selves. The fanatical believer is not conscious of his envy, malice, pettiness and dishonesty. There is a wall of words...

No need to lighten up, LunaMoth, I'm going to agree with what you say, which I thought was eminently reasonable all the way through. As you said, about the first paragraph, that I might agree... I do! :) (Gosh- this must be one of my shortest posts ever! lol ) :cool:

I wanted to mention your final comment in your reply to me: You said: "...its not just someone thats telling me this... its God." As an outsider, as I am sure you would agree I am, I have to say this appears very proudful. I thought that it was a sin to be overly proud, yet you declare this...

-Peace Love Happiness Security Joy Comfort Longsuffering Confidence Assurance .......the list goes on. ======================== And you think these matters are not attainable for someone without your faith? Why would you proclaim your faith as true for yourself and a pathway for others, as...

Also, BTW, one person's 'positive' can easily be a 'negative' to others! Think about it... :)

That is all very well, DTS, but you haven't actually - it seems - understood the points I made at all. You say here: "I'm saying it is a perspective that is based on and compatible with the observable physical universe, as opposed to being based on a particular supernatural model." and...

I am so sorry to disagree with you, FaithfulServant, but do you never question your own blind faith in the Bible? Do you actually understand the Bible is simply a collection and selective collation of some ancient texts written by human beings, who actually contradict each other very often...

We are to meditate on his Word only. WHY? If you hold to the world more than you hold to God you are worshipping the world. (AND WHY NOT?) ============ WHY? is the key question here FaithfulServant. Who tells you to meditate on His word only... and why do they tell you to do so? Are...

I was also going to comment on: " 'some will win the game of life and some will remain lame'. " That seems to be rather less than wisdom... seems to me like rather like just stating the obvious... lame people don't win the 100 metre sprint! The fact is that the 'lame' often appear to win...

Whoever was the author of that Gospel, they hardly do justice, SacredStar, to Jesus... perhaps, as you hint, only proving how human, rather than divine, he was. :)

Just wanted to say thanks, SacredStar, for posting all those excellent quotes. They deserve a special thread all of their own! :)

I think you are quite right, SacredStar. :)

Is it just me that sees much hatred beneath those words? Is it just me that sees shouting - declarations - that say things that hardly have anything to do with 'love'? :confused: