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I don't see what that line of inquiry accomplishes in a discussion related to atheist rejection/acceptance. The issues are the same, just pushed back further. You end up with either infinite regress or a beginning point that's further back. It only adds more steps to the process. It seems like...

That would be an agnostic position."I don't know" is always agnostic. However, "I admit I could be wrong in my belief that ~G" is a potential atheist belief just as "I admit I could be wrong in my belief that G" is a potential theist belief.

Either I misunderstood what you said or your misunderstood what I said, but I think there must have been some miscommunication at some point because I don't see how that relates. I don't see how maintaining that one's religious beliefs are absolutely true is of value to what you're suggesting. I...

When you talk like that you come across as a dogmatist who has convinced himself that he's uncovered the truth and everyone else is wrong.

death followed by sun followed by tower.

That seems like a separate issue to me, unrelated to my issue with assertions that one theological proposition or another is true in some absolute or constant sense.

I'm not certain how many people in the thread are discussing a panentheism or pantheism in the absence of some sort of philosophy. Some are I'm sure, but Avi is partial to Spinoza. I'm partial to kabbalistic models. I don't doubt that p_o_o's view is more nuanced than "God is everything and then...

It depends on how one approaches the text. As BB pointed out, days start being counted before the appearance of a sun by which to count days. This is the first thing that suggests that it's not referring to a solar today. It's the first appearance of the word in the Torah. According to...

Curiously I'd been talking to Avi about that via PM. I'm interested in looking at the convergence of math and kabbalah in Aryeh Kaplan's writings and thought he might be able to offer me some suggestions for familiarizing myself with the math involved. He seemed to express skepticism, suggesting...

Well it was pushed heavily by M.M. Schneerson.

Sometimes I do too.

And that's all well and good. The two places in this thread where I've responded to you it's been because you've seemed to extended your understanding of Christian theology to Judaism where it's not accurate. In Judaism panentheism is an acceptable belief that even some ultra-orthodox adhere to...

Avi, Kabbalah isn't a book, I've never made any mention of having read/not read the zohar and don't adhere to "traditional Judaism", and I'm pretty sure BB gave you somewhat different reasons for not having read much of the Zohar.

And I'm in complete agreement with you. As I stated, I only believe that this explanation may be the case. It has little to do with my lived reality. It was more or less stated to prevent Thomas from countering that the line of reasoning I was pursuing could be said to apply to panentheism...