OK. For me theology is defined as 'faith seeking understanding' (St Anselm), in that sense I always seek to understand what I believe. The more I understand, the more the Mystery unfolds. I suppose I view panentheism, like pantheism and most other theisms, as stopping points.
I believe there is a difference between understanding and defining- the former is a journey and the latter is embracing artificial limitation.
I find it interesting that you critiqued my use of "unfolding" with reference to the Divine as being too anthropomorphic, yet you use "unfolding" with reference to "the Mystery."
Finally, why are "most other" theisms stopping points but your theism is not? What makes the difference?
We say the Divine is beyond all attributes — hence definitions — like panentheism — are ruled out. Sorry, but that's how I see it.
If the Divine in Christianity is beyond all attributes, then why is there the doctrine of the Trinity? Does this not point to commonly accepted attributes of God?
The attributes we predicate of the Divine are born of our understanding. So I do not uphold the either/or, or the both/and ... they are both wrong.
Actually, what I mean by the both/and position is precisely this- that I understand God through my own limited perspective, so I need to be open to this experience, rather than defining where and what God is (and, by extension, Her attributes).
Conversely, the Christian doctrine of the trinity offers a complex belief about the nature of God that is generally supposed to be not based on one's understanding, but on the authority of the institution and its capacity to properly interpret sacred text. I fail to see how such a doctrine is open-ended, admits the human understanding element involved, and how it does what you say it does- move God beyond all attributes. By the very nature of defining God as narrowly three persons of one essence and all its trappings, this points to a particular kind of God with particular characteristics. If it did not, Christianity would arguably be much more like my own spiritual practice, and I would not be a heretic.
Because I choose not to limit God to any human being's experience- my own or others who have been invested with authority- I would widely be considered a heretic despite my personal relationship with Christ.
To me, it is a lot of nonsense to hold, on the one hand, a particular doctrine about God's nature, and then on the other to say such a religion says God is unknowable and is beyond attributes. In short, while more limited, this presents the exact same paradox that panentheism does- that God is both knowable and not-knowable, both having-attributes and not-having-attributes.
I don't have a problem with this paradox, but it seems that you do and wish to shore up the position that your own religion is uniquely superior in ways that are dubious given its actual tenets.
I'm not trying to be difficult for difficulty's sake- but rather saying it is a bit arrogant to argue (without evidence and with faulty logic) that one's own religious position is so much better, more valid, and more challenging than that of others'.
We say the closest you can get is analogy ... always remembering that analogy is the transference of meaning, not that one is the other.
What do you think panentheism
is? Most panentheists hold, as a foundation, that God is beyond our comprehension and definition. Therefore, all expression about our
experience of God must be made through analogy, remembering the difference between God and one's metaphors for one's experience. This is the only way one can communicate some of one's spiritual experience to another person, and ideally (in my opinion) this is done in a way that does not limit or guide another person, but rather opens their own gateway to the divine. This is why art, ritual, music, poetry, movement, and symbol are generally more effective tools of spiritual communication than mere language. This is why I think doctrine is a rather ineffective and even damaging way to communicate spiritual experience, and practice and art are better choices. The former necessarily transforms the analogy into a solidified concept, that generally becomes reified as God-Herself. The latter, on the other hand, offers no solid concept but rather a portal to personal experience of the Divine Mystery.