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    Intro from an agnostic Christian

    Thomas, it was never my intention to try and "prove" EOy is "better" than RCC. I've spent 30 minutes typing a response up, and just before posting I regret typing the response because it's probably too harsh and defensive. However so I don't feel as if I just wasted 30 minutes of my life, I...
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    Intro from an agnostic Christian

    Sorry it took me so long to reply, I've been having a tough go spiritually as of late. But I did want to finish this discussion.... Our monastic tradition is far more "eastern" in practice than the Trappist monks. As I said before, Orthodox Christianity exists and once thrived in the eastern...
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    Intro from an agnostic Christian

    that's actually a VERY Orthodox thing to say. :) And in fact is what a fellow Orthodox Christian told me recently when we discussed this issue. And I have taken that path, and continue to strive for it, but I of course always wonder "how do I know?". How do I know I'm not just diluting myself...
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    Intro from an agnostic Christian

    Yes and no. It's "western" but it's also "eastern", not far eastern. ("mid eastern" is historically as well as spiritually accurate I would say) I see it as a sort of a bridge between the Western world and the Eastern world of religions, in some aspects. Particularly in it's monastic and...
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    Intro from an agnostic Christian

    :) I can understand that feeling. Though I wouldn't quite agree that the Eastern fathers were against investigation and questioning things. they just went about it in a different way. Sometimes though, it can be a bit of a "cop out", and many, many people just go "huh?!" They haven't the...
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    Intro from an agnostic Christian

    You're right that was Augustine's position, and most of the Eastern Church fathers kept writing to him (or about him) telling him he had this issue wrong, wrong wrong. Of course he could not read Greek, and that just added to the confusion. So the Greek/Latin language barrier was coming into...
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    Intro from an agnostic Christian

    Well, I still, most of the time believe Jesus was the Incarnate logos, and it's meaningless to me...lol! Interesting we agree, but do so for different reasons. :) Do you mean the Church knowingly, with ulterior motives, put forth a dogma it knew to be false? It doesn't sound infallible because...
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    Intro from an agnostic Christian

    Some people assume those things today. However many of the Church fathers did not assume such things, and many railed against Church and Empire becoming way too cozy. Some were persecuted for saying it, then in retrospect the Church "figured out" these people were in fact saints. There are a...
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    how do you know what to believe?

    Hi Reema, I don't know if you're still around on these boards (as I'm new here myself) but I found your question to be the exact question i've beeing pondering myself. As a Christian who was baptized Catholic, spent most of my Christian life as an Evangelical Protestant and who is now Eastern...
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    Intro from an agnostic Christian

    one of the Eastern Church fathers explained the Trinity by way of using three candles with the wicks twisted together...light the twisted wick, you have one flame. Pull them apart you have 3 flames, but it's still the one flame. Put them back together it's one flame again. Sounds pretty good to...
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    The Schism between East and West.

    Dream, thank you for your reply. It has given me a number of things to think about it, and given me a few points of self examination. And that is what I think I need at this time. Thank you!
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    Intro from an agnostic Christian

    Yeah, confession goes back before the schism. In the Eastern understanding, for most of it's history, it's been seen as more of a "healing" process. One goes to confession to "get things off one's chest" so to speak. To be accountable to someone else other than ourselves, and a time for...
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    Intro from an agnostic Christian

    Well one of the translations of the Greek word for "Orthodox" is "right belief"...(it actually means right/correct glory..Ortho and Doxa, Orthodox. But an alternate translation is right belief. And what I mean is that whatever one's Christian faith, EO, Catholic, Protestant, who all have an...
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    Intro from an agnostic Christian

    That's kind of where I'm at, the point of examining things. Not that I've never examined before but now I'm doing so somewhat differently...with the assumption my faith could be (probably is?) wrong, or at least not 100% right. It's not so much theological or dogmatic issues. In fact there...
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    Which history would you visit?

    I've been to a lot of different states, though not all. But I would challenge that what you describe exists in "most states". I'm thinking more of a frontier type place....and that is a rare thing indeed in the lower 48. But it does exist. I do live in a place which remains relatively...
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    The Schism between East and West.

    Just to find some grounds of agreement, I totally agree with you here! Much of the hostility between the EO and Rome in modern times comes from the EO and an unwillingness to think in any other way than a "greek way". (the same thing they accused the Latin Church of doing during the Photian...
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    The Schism between East and West.

    I know this is an old thread but I just had to comment, I'm not really here to debate Petrine authority however I just have to mention that the 1054 schism was not the first major break in Christendom. Here it sounds like Constantinople broke from 1000 year tradition, thus seperating itself...
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    Which history would you visit?

    What a fun question. I'm not sure I could pick just one but I've thought about this many times before and I kind of always come back to visiting the Roman Empire in the 1st century. Rome in it's prime I guess. Of course I'd want to travel through the Empire, starting in Judea, all the way to...
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    Intro from an agnostic Christian

    In Western Christianity there are a LOT of things that never made sense to me. Eastern Christianity is much more open to saying "I don't know" and has less doctrines I find "disagreeable". But there are a few things within Eastern Orthodoxy that don't quite make sense to me personally, but I...
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    Intro from an agnostic Christian

    That's the thing...I'm kind of "both". :) I'd actually say though that I lean much more to the rational or analytical approach. I love history, and development of religions in general etc...In fact that is what brought me, in large part to Eastern Orthodoxy. However I don't rule out my...
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