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@ i brian very poetic but not to the point the god of wind creates the wind its the pupose of the god and the gods motive . simplistic i know but society was too a long time ago . but a god that created all , knows all , what motive is there in that ? i dont profess to understand as god does...

@ i brian , i like the idea of the inevitable flower and through the theory of evolution i to subscirbe to the inevitable flowers place in exsistence . But the question was more direct as multi god religions tend to have gods with motive ,i.e. a god that creates wind ,the god of wind has motive...

As a non thiest i have pondered many times the question of gods/dietys motive for creation ?

@ bannanabrain so your saying that if you read the torah and find it relevent your've understood it ? I have raed a torah but didnt find it relevant so are you saying that i didnt ubderstand the text , i suppose you are . Sounds the same thing my islamic friend said about jews and christians...

Another great thread with many intresting points . This suffering thing dont hold with me as it could be said "if no god , then why dont man live in a natrual order like beasts ?". Some of the oldest beliefs is based on the reason we suffer and if we worship god suffering will seace . i see...

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you dont have to be a "conspiracy thinker" just to notice that there are many versions of the bible you just need to look in a book store .unless book stores are owned by "conspiracy thinkers". "conspiracy on a gargantuan scale" are you refering to the christian church if so i would like you to...

@ thomas areyou saying that churchs and religions have no power ? sorry to disagree but althogh religions may not start the war they are an integral part of it . Anyone here church of england ? as they invest more in weapons production than anyone else in the country even more than the...

Fish , Birds and Animals have always been intelligent and anyone who spends time with any speices will get to understand that . maybe not cattle as these species have been domesticated for many a year . But time and time again each species becomes "intelligent" only when a scientific study hs...

@ bannanabrain are you saying the text is no good unless someone tells you what it really means ? and it has no relevance ?

34:14 for ye do not bow yourselves to another god -- for Jehovah, whose name `is' Zealous, is a zealous God. 34:15 `Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitant of the land, and they have gone a-whoring after their gods, and have sacrificed to their gods, and `one' hath called to thee, and...

nice post it just illistrates how many interpretations there are has anyone studied this ? can someone please look at the ten commandment one of the most important parts of the bible as they are direct laws given byt god .but in my research i found the commandment about adultery does not...

wtc 9.11 had nothing to do with muslims or the islamic faith . plz dont associate a faith with terroist actions

time is definatly not constant as was proved but a pratical experiment some time ago .the question of infinate depends on what context as the word infinate has a finate meaning so maybe it would be easier to answer your question if a context or datum was put in place . Quote: Originally Posted...

the problem with quantum pyhics is the harder and deeper we look the more we disturb what we are looking at even light has an effect .so an all seeing all knowing diety who designed the quantum universe will know the preordained path of these particals .but if a diety is all knowing then our...

never look forward or backward but live for now

the bible has been translated many many times in its own day some books were wrote in different languages and then translated to others and back again ,scriptures rewrote some parts deletted and some books ignored altogether.all this is well documented.i have read the torah and there is more...

sorry if i upset anyone but disrespectfull i am not and angry i try not to be also to judge is not my place , for this i am sorryas i didnt mean to affend . to believe in something noone else can see , to know something you can not prove does not make it not so but by definicion its "blind...

the statment below is based on scientific fact : "all matter is energy condensed into a slow vibration" the word soul will have to be difined by each person for me to comment on each persons view so in genaral i will say that all things have "presence" alive or not .Also the cells that make...

which ever the path or direction all religions belive in faith ,that is blind faith ,something with no proof and with out question .children belive in santa without question and on total faith does this then mean that children are enlighterned or is santa true because so many believe it to be so...