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  1. Devils' Advocate

    In the beginning

    By the by, you seem to have a very big problem with this concept. Could you delve into your unhappiness with this. You may not agree with it, and there is nothing wrong with that. But the sentence itself, especially the underlined, is a simple logical argument. It makes perfect sense to me as an...
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    In the beginning

    In point of fact that is completely accurate! If one mixes blue paint and yellow paint, it is not a coincidence that you get green paint. You get green paint because that is what happens when you mix blue and yellow. An oversimplification to be sure. Still the parallel holds.
  3. Devils' Advocate

    In the beginning

    Lux said "Is it any better to believe in multiple universes when there's no evidence then?" There is evidence for them. That is how the physics is working out. There is no proof of them. Difference. To your point though, no it is not better, or worse, to believe in the multi-verse than there is...
  4. Devils' Advocate

    In the beginning

    Okay so let me try and put this together in a way that would make sense to you two and to me as well. Let's remove all the very theoretical stuff for the moment and go with just the two possibilities that this reality came together purely by chance versus this reality was put together by a...
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    In the beginning

    Actually this is a terrible example! Apologies, don't want to hurt your feelings. The flaw in this kind of theory is precisely the same as the old saw about if given enough time in a whirlwind all the pieces of a plane could construct that plane. It simply isn't true. Why? Because pieces of...
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    In the beginning

    Believe me, I feel your pain! lol. Nothing like working on a post for half an hour only to have someone negate it with a three word sentence. No matter how hard I try to make my point clear, it still gets lost in translation by another person's reading it and interpolating what I have said into...
  7. Devils' Advocate

    Hello everyone,

    On the other hand, no one is more empathic towards someone that is thirsty than someone who has experienced great thirst themselves.
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    Hello everyone,

    A-HA! You didn't did you.
  9. Devils' Advocate

    In the beginning

    Not completely clear on your message here. I don't understand what the anthropic principle has to do with the odds of random chance. And why you believe the odds of chance are impossible to justify. If that is indeed your statement? Or are you saying that the anthropic principle justifies a...
  10. Devils' Advocate

    In the beginning

    I'm not sure you are understanding this statement the way it was meant to be understood. Where you are going wrong (I think) is the random chance part of the statement. A scientist would have to say that our reality happened by statistical chance amongst gazillions of realities because there is...
  11. Devils' Advocate

    In the beginning

    Not so sure I can agree with you here. The statement is true at the quantum level. I don't think that carries forward to our perception of reality working the same way in the macro universe. The macro universe is fixed even though it is not fixed at the foundation (quantum) level. There are any...
  12. Devils' Advocate

    In the beginning

    Oh absolutely! lol. They have to. That potential component is not testable; thus not a question they could even consider. The mystical/spiritual similarities to quantum physics is my own thinking. I find the similarities intriguing. And my own personal mystical/spiritual experiences align with...
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    In the beginning

    I don't think the first statement is valid. No matter how another creature views this reality they are using the same or similar 'tools' (seeing, hearing, smelling, etc.) to do so as we are, so they are firmly rooted in the same reality we are. I would agree with the second statement (more or...
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    If You Were God

    I'm not sure where Tea stands - Wil and I are not atheists. And what difference does that make anyway. Is my question not a valid one? If one wants to postulate a mental exercise where one is God and then make restrictions on what God can and can not do - is that not invalidating the exercise? I...
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    Hi to the forum

    That actually makes a lot of sense! Scary.
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    Hi to the forum

    Technically what that is is grammar. HaH! :rolleyes:
  17. Devils' Advocate

    If You Were God

    It is an interesting exercise though I have a big problem with one of the requirements. Hate to take this grand exercise and demolish it with one sentence. But there is a problem I cannot get around. Which is this. The article postulates that 'supposedly' You Were God. It then goes on to...
  18. Devils' Advocate

    In the beginning

    No, a cat or bird exists in the exact same dimension as ours. So do rocks, rivers, stars, galaxies. Any thinking to the contrary is a result of hundreds of years of theism teaching everyone that man is somehow special - unique above everything else. I reject that philosophy. But then I am a...
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    Religious Views On Evolution

    Ummm. That is what a survey is. You ask people to answer questions on a form and use statistical analysis to generate a general idea of what the majority of people believe. It is precisely because a bunch of people gave a certain answer to a question on a form! Polls have a use, though we need...
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