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It has always been my firm belief that we do this kind of stuff to ourselves on occasion just to keep us humble! o_O My sympathies to you though. There is so much stuff out there nowadays as the bad guys get more and more clever about how to trick us that some times even with the best...

The 'Like' button is of limited value anyway. Far better to like a post and then respond with your thoughts on why you like the post. Otherwise what 'like' means is "Yep that is the way I think". After all how many of us like posts we completely disagree with. I have done it a few times when I...

Beautiful! This in a nutshell is my belief which I express as Pantheism. Right on. The more we are learning inside instead of teaching outside the more I believe we are on the right path.

Quite so. Nor was I making a specific case for one or the other. Going with the flow is just fine as long as the flow is getting you somewhere you need to be. There are times though, going against the current is mandatory.

Which is the very worst source of all! lolol. One thing this thread has done; I am definitely going to read Crean. I understand the background of what Dawkins is saying even if I have never read him. I am very curious to read the rebuttal.

Again. WoW! Never have I seen such a picture perfect example of two people talking past each other. You two are typing like crazy attempting to make points, yet there is zero communication going on here. Accusation. Denial of accusation. Counter accusation. Denial of counter accusation. It seems...

Don't know about the rest of the world; here in America religion is mostly used as a bludgeon to batter the opinions of anyone who wants to believe differently. There are So Many Christians in this country who profess the ideals of Jesus as their moral code while simultaneously spewing the most...

I realize you are joking (at least I think you meant that as a joke). It does raise a problematic issue within the framework of this discussion. It has been my experience watching many, many others, (not to mention my own internal struggles to attempt to remain neutral, which I fail at far more...

Dawkins plays to the crowd, no doubt about that. Whether his books pass any level of scientific muster I cannot say as I have never read any of his books. Still Dawkins is a huckster first. Not that he doesn't have the creds in education; rather because he uses sensationalism because that is...

Hey chill you two. Where's your Christmas spirit???? Peace on Earth. Goodwill towards all the members of the forum. That stuff ya know?!?!?

It's a fair statement. I cannot prove you wrong. Neither can you prove you are right. This is the ultimate stumbling block in these discussions. In the end, we are left with what makes more sense to each of us individually. Two statements combined into one here. Can you prove that animals do...

Apologies. I didn't mean my statement (to which you are referring here) to sound so strident. What I meant to say was that we have gotten to the point that we were going over the same ground over and over again. Ah philosophy. This 'science' annoys me to no end. Well not philosophers...

Actually that explains quite satisfactory. Thanks!

I do not remember seeing a single horse in that video! :rolleyes:

I would also add, whether one is considering an evil demon or an evil person, the answer is the same.

This is a serious danger indeed. Plus it also leads us into believing what we want to believe instead of what is. Which is a serious issue in modern America more than most any other country. Not that the philosophy isn't sound. Just that one has to tip toe carefully into putting the most...

I would imagine a reading of both Dawkins and Crean would be necessary to make a fair comparison between the two.

Haven't got a clue what all this talk of tribes is about. So I'll back up a page or so. This is certainly a possibility. Can't say it is wrong. From my pov, the statement could be said almost exactly the same way, except the 'divine' influence in the mind is just as natural as the 'animal'...

Well that explains everything.

Methinks we are starting to get into a rut here. The universe is completely possible to explain within just this one reality. Life on this planet is possible to explain in just this one reality. Four billion years. That is a very hard concept to wrap the mind around. Just how long that is. With...