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You're not interested in knowledge And if most traditional Jews refuse to see the evidence against Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch, surely they interested either, 'great sages' notwithstanding. That's the nature of religion. Many of the faithful would rather cohere to their tradition...

Not worth it Clearly this response does little to address my initial post. Thanks, Eric

I'm curious What are the texts supporting this? And how old are they and how can we know the ideas in them (if they are based on late writings) predate the time in question? (the prehistory of Semites?) And what's the relationship to the Sabbath here? Lunar observations don't indicate the...

I am a mainline Christian went Messianic went liberal Christian went deist went agnostic went atheist. So I guess you could call me an atheist.:D However, in my later Messianic days I kept a lunar Sabbath. Thanks, Eric

Sabbath derivation The lunar Sabbath in ancient Hebrew religion does not have to mean that they borrowed it directly from Babylonia. Both could derive conjointly from older Semitic history. However, the similarities themselves cannot be dismissed. Israel seems to have penchant for sharing...

Not an argument This isn't an argument and a rather poor caricature of my post. Firstly, it's true that the word for 'Sabbath' is related to the word for 'seven'....but that's precisely why the phases of the Moon on which the lunar Sabbaths are based on fall every seven days: on the 8th...

Re: Moses definitely did not write the Pentateuch I dismiss the tradition because it does not hold up in the pungent face of criticism and the irrefutable manuscript evidence. There's little that can be taken to remotely support Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch. The evidence against Mosaic...

Mystery novels and what you've 'followed' Mystery novels and what you've 'followed' don't constitute an argument. Thanks, Eric

Evidence/documentation part 2 I'm sorry sonoman, but a few obscure, sporadic, and overall late references to an Indian origin of the Jewish people (against the consensus of scholarship) does not explain in any detail whatsoever how the Jews borrowed the Sabbath Hindu religion, nor does it...

Evidence/documentation I'd be interested in seeing documentation with accompanying evidence supporting this hypothesis. Thanks, E.L.B.

This thread was made by the moderator 'brucegdc', carried over from the Judaism forum in a thread about the Sabbath. My post was originally made there to answer a request to supply evidence that the Sabbath, in antiquity, did not fall at the end of an uninterrupted septenary cycle. 'Saturday'...

Here's something I wrote recently explaining my basic position: Scholars today are generally not quite certain of the origin of the Jewish Sabbath, or Calendar for that matter [1], but of the views represented I tend to agree with the view that the Sabbath day was once regarded and celebrated...

Here's something I wrote recently explaining my basic position: Scholars today are generally not quite certain of the origin of the Jewish Sabbath, or Calendar for that matter [1], but of the views represented I tend to agree with the view that the Sabbath day was once regarded and celebrated...

The Sabbath was originally on none of the days of our week because our fixed septenary cycle of days did not exist where we find the earliest mention of the Sabbath, which didn't originate with ancient Judaism. The Sabbath was a lunar festival, attached with certain phases of the moon, as far...

Moses definitely did not write the Pentateuch I've casually studied the Documentary Hypothesis, its nuanced views (such as whether J and E should be treated as separate, or whether P is pre-exilic, post-exilic, or both), and competing theories (like the Fragmentary Hypothesis as suggested by...

Jesus as God's son, not the 'one' God I have not read a single word of this thread beyond the OP, but this is my take on the issue: Debates have raged over the status of Jesus' divinity (or lack thereof) from the earliest periods in Christianity history. This comes as no surprise because the...