666

I'll throw a monkey wrench into this superstition-fest. The oldest available manuscript for this text uses the number 616, not 666.
do you mean, the egyptian piece found and labeled as piece number 115?

have you ever actually looked over what the piece is?

you like wiki right?

Papyrus 115 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


or from Oxford

P.Oxy. LXVI 4499

The newest volume of Oxyrhynchus Papyri contains a fragmentary papyrus of Revelation which is the earliest known witness to some sections (late third / early fourth century). A detailed discussion of its place in the MS tradition is given in the printed volume. You will find images at 150dpi and 300dpi in the papyri section of this site, accessible from the main menu.
One feature of particular interest is the number that this papyrus assigns to the Beast: 616, rather than the usual 666. (665 is also found.) We knew that this variant existed: Irenaeus cites (and refutes) it. But this is the earliest instance that has so far been found. The number - chi, iota, stigma (hexakosiai deka hex) — is in the third line of the fragment shown below. But why does it matter what the number is? For that, we have to turn to ancient Greek ideas about numerology.


are you into numerology for your belief system?

how about find the pentagram and the golden ratio to life
 
Some Interesting Numerology and Math

Contributed by Comrade Erich Webb
Keep in mind these important numbers in the Orphic and Traditions.
666 and 216 and the Demiurge. 36 and 72 and the Adept (Sod).

The number of man is 6, even in Taoism.
The number for man's society would be 66, and the number of the world would be 666.

The Demiurge number is 6.

The Demiurge was shown by the Orphics as a stick with 6 spokes having 6 colors.

The Demiurge is the Foundation, the Bahu, the Root of Life. What is the root of life on earth? Chemically it would be Carbon: 6 protons, 6 electrons, and 6 neutrons.

And there are 6 kinds of quarks identified by physics that gives them the names of 6 colors. Quarks are in the nucleus of the atom. [The scientist that discovered quarks decided to give them the names of 6 colors; the same 6 colors Orphics used. Quarks actually do not have colors. The point is that the discoverer did not give them other names, or the names of some other colors. TJ].


6 squared (6 x 6) equals 36. 36 is also 4 x 9 which figured in Pythagorean initiations.
If you add up these numbers: 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18 +19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28+29+30+31+32+33 +34+35+36 it equals 666.

6 cubed (6 x 6 x 6) equals 216.

King Solomon's Seal (6 pointed star) is two triangles, (one light, one dark, intertwined). It is similar in meaning to the Yin-Yang symbol. In the esoteric sense, it represents sexual union. Point up triangle is white and male; point down triangle is black and female in the original. Bahu/Demiurge is the Root in us of this: our 666. The urge to make more people, i.e., to mate. There is a story of King Solomon receiving 666 coins of gold. (1 kings 10:14).

Saying "3, 4, 5" is saying the "IOH" of the Pythagoreans. They are also the 3 numbers that figure in making the Pythagorean Triangle which is math: 3 x 3 + 4 x 4 = 5 x 5. [The square of the length of the hypotenuse of a right triangle, equals the sum of the squares of the other two sides - Pythagorean Theorem. TJ]

But 3+4+5 = 12 and 12 x 6 equals 72, the number of the Sod (Adepts) and one of the angles that make our pentacle. What is the other angle? 36. (6 x 6)

Golden Triangle is a Triangle having a phi radio - it is a math term.

There are 5 Golden Triangles on our pentacle.

5 x 72 gives you 360 degrees in the circle.

There are 10 Sephiroth.

10 x 36 gives you 360 degrees in the circle.

Is 6 part of the Golden Triangle used to make the pentacle?

6 squared is 36 which is one of the angles needed for a Golden Triangle.

The "octave" of 36 is 72. And 72 is the other angle you need.
With these two angles, the third angle for the triangle would have to also be 72.
That gives you the GoldenTriangle. In this sense, 6 is part of the Pentacle.

The Pythagorean Kyklos is identical to the Wheel of Life - which is held by a pictured being in 5 places. More familiar is the image of the Tantrik Sri Kala Chakra with the Wheel (shown in Tantra, Vajrayana and Pythagoreanism sold at this website).

10 times the moon's diameter is 2,160 miles. Astronomers say that the sun travels at 21,600 miles per hour through the galaxy as a satellite around an unknown center. This number is one tenth of the mean distance between the earth and moon, 216,000 miles (60 x 60 x 60 = 216,000) which is 100 times its own radius. The moon's diameter in miles resonates with the 2,160 year measure of each Platonic Month or Zodiacal age. Twelve such ages is a Great Year one cycle of precession of equinoxes, as earth wobbles on axis in 25,920 years. Now the 3, 4, 5 of the Pythagorean triangle; add 3+4+5 = 12. Consider the 360 degrees in the circle and use the 6 as such: 6 x 12 x 360 = 25,920. the miles the earth travels around its equator in resonance with the cycle of precession.

Also, 3+4+5 = 12 - 12 months, always seen as having two seasons, 6 months each.

One of the tenets of Pythagoreanism was belief in the eternal recurrence of things. They were not just mathematicians. They regarded their mathematics and geometry as black magic. Also, in Euclid's vol.2: A particular kind of square distinguished by Nicomachus and the rest was the square number which ended (in the decimal notation) with the same number as its sides, e.g. 1, 25, 36, which are the squares of 1, 5, 6. These square numbers were called cyclic on the analogy of circles in geometry which return again to the point from which they started. Similarly cube numbers (a number cubed is like 4 cubed, would be 4 x 4 x 4 = 64) which ended with the same number as their sides, and the squares of those sides also were called spherical or recurrent. One might have expected that the term spherical would be applicable also to the cubes of numbers which ended with the same digit as the side but not necessarily with the same digit as the square of the side also. E.g. the cube of 4, i.e. 64 ends with the same digit as 4, but not with the same digit as 16 .But apparently 64 was not called a spherical number, the only instances given by Nicomachus and the rest being those cubed from numbers ending with 5 or 6, which end with the same digit if squared. A spherical number is in fact derived from a circular number only, and that by adding another equal dimension. Obviously, as Nesselmann says, the names cyclic and spherical applied to numbers appeal to an entirely different principle from that on which the figured numbers so far dealt with were formed .

Six also rules 2 dimensional surface through the optimum efficiency of the hexagon in dividing spaces. [The hexagon is the honeycomb, known to be the most efficient way to make individual cells on a plane surface; the most number of cells and the least waste, no gaps. Bees use this to make honeycombs. TJ] Six rules 3 dimensional volume via its "octave" form of 12 in spherical packing arrangements [in other words, when you pack spheres together maximally compressed, without waste, each one has 12 other spheres touching it as the maximum number of spheres you can pack in so that they'd each touch 12 others. TJ] [The idea of a connection somehow between honeycombs and sphere packing, if any connections exists, are subjects that Professors spend their entire lives studying, if any are even studying it. They spend lives studying each, individually. TJ]

Here's the best one:
"144,000 will be saved," according to Book of Revelations in the J/C Bible.


This is a strange number to pull out of the blue; right?

144,000 divided by 666 equals 216.216216216216216216 etc. infinite repeating.
144,000 divided by 216 equals 666.666666666666666666 etc. infinite repeating.
Of course, if you multiply 216 x 666 it does not come out to 144,000.
[Note from TJ: This is remote but, they may have gotten this 144,000 number by reducing 666 and 216 down to fractions for some odd reason; as if they were .666 and .216 - i.e., a game with words: 666 thousandths and 216 thousandths. In which case, 666/1000 would round off to 2/3; and 216/1000 would be exactly 27/125. Note that one is being rounded off! So then: 2/3 x 27/125 = 18/125. Now if you divide 18 by 125 you get .144 or "144 thousandths." Heh. This is a word game with these numbers, however. So where did someone get the number 144,000 from? How did they arrive at this number which coincidentally works out this way? Did they do what I did? Consider that I back figured out how one might somehow get a "144" TJ]

Coincidence? Nonsense? Or deliberate?

Occultists, keeping in mind that there is already a given set of magical numbers they use, have used 144,000 for Radiant energy; 36 times 4 = 144. [The energy drops off at the 4th power of the distance; probably where they get the number 4. TJ]. The 6th Seal broken (in Revelation) sets in motion an Angel to mark 144,000 children of Israel that are Saved. But if one uses gematria (tradition holding to absolute-ordinal-reduced-integral values of letters, names etc..), then numerologically 666=18=9, 72=9, 216=9, and 144,000=9. These all have 9 in common, and what is of interest to me is that it shows the BEAST AND NUMBER TO BE SAVED refers to man himself/herself whose number can be 9.
If you use multiples of 6, [with some exclusionary exceptions* TJ], you can find some Prime Numbers and even twin-primes below and above the multiple of 6. [This is, however, not always true, but may point to a way to find some primes. E.g., 846 is a multiple of 6 (6x141) and 847 and 845 are just above and below that multiple of 6. Neither 845 nor 847 are prime numbers. TJ]
(See article on the Three Gates and the Tangram on this website also.) The way the density of primes drops off with higher numbers, they get more rarified based on a logarithmic function involving the number e.)
*Some exclusions for primes are these:
No number ending in any even number is prime, including ending in 0. (Except 2 itself)
No number ending in 5 is prime.
If the digits of any number add up to a multiple of 3, it is not prime.
In only a 3 digit number, if the outer two digits add up to the center one, it is not prime.
In only a 3 digit number, if the outer two digits add up to 11 less than the middle one, it is not prime. (E.g.: 407 and 429. E.g., 4+7=11 and 11-11=0, or 4+9=13 and13-11 = 2.)
There are probably more exclusions.
It is known (proven fact) that the density of primes decreases logarithmically as the numbers get higher. Primes are more frequent in the lower numbers.
There are an infinite number of prime numbers. But are there an infinite number of twin primes? Twin primes are like these: 5, 7 or 11, 13 or 17,19, etc. Primes right next to each other with only one number between them are twin primes.
Some Pythagoreans claimed "All Things are Number." Others argued that "All Things are Shape." But doesn't shape translate into number? Maybe. There are an infinite amount of numbers and the same infinite amount of fractions. But, there are more shapes than numbers (infinite, nonetheless). Go figure.
Gee, you'll need a really, really, really BIG calculator to figure it, right?
Enjoy!



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most all life known in existence is based on the relation of mass and energy.

ie... carbon-12 is chemically observed as 6 electrons, 6 protons and 6 neutrons..... see by knowledge every person to read this now knows their life is based on the 6

think of the 6 guy as the good guy.... as life is what to understand by the truth

and any who suggest otherwise are corrupted by the ignorance of one single sect of religious beliefs.

and it is easy to see why................... as when the truth is known globally the religious leaders will be unemployed!

as equality WILL exist!
 
666 itself all point to one unmistakable conclusion—gross shortcoming and failure in the eyes of Jehovah.
 
So, is time also cubical?

Even Einstein knew that time was relevant and the logic is easy; to measure from A to B takes time.

Mass is simply energy affixed in time; see E=mc2. Even as that math is incorrect, the frame proved the logic and now we have nuclear usage.

The three; mass, energy (light) and time; the corporeal, the spirit and the transcendent; the trinity does exist. We live within existence.

We are His creations, His children, His living experience within existence.

We are all God's children, equally!

To know this allows each of us the ability to create life and do good by God at all times.

That is what the last chapter is all about as most all the religions tell us that one day the truth will exist and each will be able to know life as it truly is.

It all comes from the birth of an arrogant idiot who cares more for life and tomorrow than anything and gave, gives and continues to take the abuse of the fools simply for tomorrow.

So hate me all you like..........as you are hating what your very religious belief has been telling you to await with trust that God will reveal; the Understanding of Life!


let him who hath 'understanding' recognize the number of. ........ the destroyer of religious enterprize (kalki)
 
Bible names often have special significance
particularly when given by God.



Accordingly, the God-given number-name 666 must symbolize what God sees as defining attributes of the beast.

Naturally, to understand those traits, we need to identify the beast itself and learn about its activities.
 
Bible names often have special significance
particularly when given by God.



Accordingly, the God-given number-name 666 must symbolize what God sees as defining attributes of the beast.

Naturally, to understand those traits, we need to identify the beast itself and learn about its activities.

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talking about the birth


but falling into the idea that it is a sperate entity of evil when mankind has caused, created, and constantly is the only single entity in existence with the ability to impose to existence every evil known to exist.

man is a beast and the collective of corruption is 'the' beast.


and to further this, 'they' control the weapons of mass destruction to cause the 'flesh to burn'

'they' are the causation of the end and the judgment will be when the children know the truth of life and God help the fools of deceit as they WILL live in their corruption and that hell 'they' created!
 
*insert lengthy mathematical dissertation here*

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Thanks for that article, Bishadi; kind of interesting stuff, albeit difficult to wrap my arts-leaning mind around.

My suspicion is that the identity of the beast is a lot less complicated than this, though, and that all of the mathematical what-not is just symbolism that points toward the coming of the beast, in the same way that the prophets pointed toward the coming of the Messiah.

Mee, I've done a fair bit of reading lately on this subject, particularly out of Witness literature, and the only conclusion I can feel certain about is that the idea that the beast is the empire of false religion is incorrect. It makes sense, and kind of fits, but it just doesn't feel right to me because of the wording: it is the number of a man. All of these symbolic interpretations (that it's false religion, or that it's all of us, etc) fall short at this point.

I think that we'll find that the best is indeed a living, breathing human being, just like the Messiah came as a living, breathing human being.
 
Mee, I've done a fair bit of reading lately on this subject, particularly out of Witness literature, and the only conclusion I can feel certain about is that the idea that the beast is the empire of false religion is incorrect.




and you would be correct in thinking that, because as all Jehovahs witnesses are aware , it is the WOMAN(HARLOT) that is
THE WORLDWIDE EMPIRE OF FALSE RELIGION.

not the beast that she is riding, it is the beast that she is riding that will turn on her in a big way .


hope that helps:)
 
for those who are into 666 mentioned in the book of revelation, the thread called ......Identifying babylon the great....... post 33 is a good read :)
 
Thanks for that article, Bishadi; kind of interesting stuff, albeit difficult to wrap my arts-leaning mind around.
what to observe is that most of the truths of existence are found clearly in nature (God) over the conclusions derived by mankinds opinions

meaning that the progression of evolution is found in the golden ratio (see conch shell) and the number of 666 is also found in the basis of most all life known in existence (carbon - 12)

what this shares is that nature (God) is not suspected of fibbing and decieving but men and the interpretations are what is purely suspect

My suspicion is that the identity of the beast is a lot less complicated than this,
that what?

any person of choice can murder, kill and fib causing ill regard by choice just as and completely equal to any devil/beast or monster.......

then if an opinion causes mass ill regard, hate, secularism and war.... just as the condition this world is in. Does not mean an outside force is doing it but that the fibs of men have continued to cause the very atrocities within mankind.

in the quran they call them jinns..... (lies that continue to kill as they live)


ie.... Jesus said purely that he is not Good (god)... as well shared that 'another' is to come back to finish the job of messiah..... not him!

these are what Jesus said but people continue to believe and follow what other said over Jesus' own words as represented in the very bible many hold so firm.

Jesus was a great teacher and them afterwards ruin the intent, the words and the gifts of Jesus incorporating fibs.

18And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God

and

26and the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and remind you of all things that I said to you

but how many actually follow the words of jesus?
 
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