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[Quahom1]

r u suggesting that plagerism is good?

or perhaps that to have a bible and quote it up is what is pure?

but what if the selfish mee me shares an incorrect interpretation?

such as to suggest or act as if it is OK to fib about a story claiming truth as long as the biblical interpretation is the same but reality shares it is a fib. For example: the bible shared as the word of God when in fact every word is a creation of man/woman in all cases. ( a clear fact)

that list of fibs can go on forever.....

No, the plagerism part is not good, nor is rattling off biblical quotes with no explanation behind them. But what can be good is the message we may glean from the substance of what was written.

The United States Constitution is the law of the land, and the "word" of the citizens united, yet it is also a creation of a few men...

The Bible is God inspired, and man wrote down God's words, to pass along to the generations to follow. The morals in the Bible are clearly not the morals of men, since man's morality is relative (as we see today). And since they as appropriate yesterday, as they are today and will be tomorrow, they must have come from one higher in moral character than man.

Where is the lie in "do unto others, as you would have them do unto you?"

v/r

Q

 

[Bishadi]

No, the plagerism part is not good, nor is rattling off biblical quotes with no explanation behind them. But what can be good is the message we may glean from the substance of what was written.

The United States Constitution is the law of the land, and the "word" of the citizens united, yet it is also a creation of a few men...

SO is the bible. Then voting became the cause of changes and inclusions, just like the tanach and ammendments to laws.

Ever notice the original schism of christianity.......... changes created by men, not God. So to even interpret the words from one language to another is suspect to man's opinions. This 'fact' alone is one that each person of religious (christian for example) faith must come to terms with first as an absolute truth.

The Bible is God inspired, and man wrote down God's words, to pass along to the generations to follow. The morals in the Bible are clearly not the morals of men,

yes they are...... just as them stories from all them different opinions (books of the bible) are not from God as a man on a thrown. They were opinions of their point of view, not God's.

Perhaps a reality check is in order? Every color of mankind is of God's children so to know God is to know far more than the opinions of one sect, faith or opinion. And that one book called bible is as biased as the quran, torah or most any secular faith. The error of the religiously bound.

since man's morality is relative (as we see today). And since they as appropriate yesterday, as they are today and will be tomorrow, they must have come from one higher in moral character than man.

not a word in existence came from anything other than man/women, period!

Where is the lie in "do unto others, as you would have them do unto you?"

v/r

Q

it was written well before Jesus, from confucius. Jesus learned from the words written by men and experienced life within God, just as any man alive can do, by choice!

Nothing magical or omnipotent about that, just a 'good' man contributing to existence. Kind of like what Darwin also did for mankind; he gave of himself for knowledge to evolve.

 

[Faithfulservant]

SO is the bible. Then voting became the cause of changes and inclusions, just like the tanach and ammendments to laws.

Ever notice the original schism of christianity.......... changes created by men, not God. So to even interpret the words from one language to another is suspect to man's opinions. This 'fact' alone is one that each person of religious (christian for example) faith must come to terms with first as an absolute truth.

yes they are...... just as them stories from all them different opinions (books of the bible) are not from God as a man on a thrown. They were opinions of their point of view, not God's.

Perhaps a reality check is in order? Every color of mankind is of God's children so to know God is to know far more than the opinions of one sect, faith or opinion. And that one book called bible is as biased as the quran, torah or most any secular faith. The error of the religiously bound.

not a word in existence came from anything other than man/women, period!

it was written well before Jesus, from confucius. Jesus learned from the words written by men and experienced life within God, just as any man alive can do, by choice!

Nothing magical or omnipotent about that, just a 'good' man contributing to existence. Kind of like what Darwin also did for mankind; he gave of himself for knowledge to evolve.

your pov is non-biblical... of course you are going to disagree with mostly everything a biblical Christian believes.


2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.


1 Cor 2:12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.b14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned

I do not understand how anyone can find hope or happiness or even satisfacion in the word of God if they dont believe what it says. I do not understand how anyone can pick and choose what to believe and think that its reasonable under the circumstances. You dont pick up a physics book and choose to believe in some of the laws and not others. Why read the bible if you dont believe in it... why claim to believe in SOME of it but not all.. It really really does boggle my mind.

 

[Bishadi]

your pov is non-biblical... of course you are going to disagree with mostly everything a biblical Christian believes.

has nothing to do about disagreeing with a christian, i personally love many

but i disagree with what many of the religion believe and convey as true when in fact to adhere to much of it causes a selfish deceit to become living. Meaning you must lie against truth to maintain your belief.

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

so can you define life in which Jesus and Darwin are both vindicated as purely compassionate for the good of mankind

Such that if all of mankind is alive within the existence of everything known as God himself, then every breath is from God but then again a breath of knowledge from God does not mean that the words to define what was seen had existed in the time of the gift from God. For example; the serpant from the sea raining fire upon the land is not a living thing but a nuclear sub firing nuclear weapons that detonate above the surface and do what? . (they didn't have the words back then)

1 Cor 2:12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.

13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

i can agree that all of mankind can experience truth and from existence (GOD) but like always a baby cannot spell 'understanding' unless the knowledge exists for them to learn

so to experience Love is natural to most all of consciousness, but how to define it takes time and experience combined! (the evolution of knowledge)

14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned

I do not understand how anyone can find hope or happiness or even satisfacion in the word of God if they dont believe what it says. I do not understand how anyone can pick and choose what to believe and think that its reasonable under the circumstances. You dont pick up a physics book and choose to believe in some of the laws and not others. Why read the bible if you dont believe in it... why claim to believe in SOME of it but not all.. It really really does boggle my mind.

what boggles the mind is how each generation has shared truth, knowledge and comprehension as some even live and survive by the usage but still fall back on ignorance when defining the most important question every child ever born has asked and wanted to know;

what is life?

So as throughout all the earth the diversity is in this definition and the comprehension thereof but in reality, in God's existence; life only works ONE way and until that grounding foundation is understood by God's children then we have the diversity of faiths, beliefs and truth!

WE are living forms of God's creation; mass and energy, existing in time.

And it is in time and the combining of knowledge that allows mass to comprehend its existence and create life by choice; living forever in them choices to create life. (the gift of God)

 

[Quahom1]

SO is the bible. Then voting became the cause of changes and inclusions, just like the tanach and ammendments to laws.

Ever notice the original schism of christianity.......... changes created by men, not God. So to even interpret the words from one language to another is suspect to man's opinions. This 'fact' alone is one that each person of religious (christian for example) faith must come to terms with first as an absolute truth.

yes they are...... just as them stories from all them different opinions (books of the bible) are not from God as a man on a thrown. They were opinions of their point of view, not God's.

Perhaps a reality check is in order? Every color of mankind is of God's children so to know God is to know far more than the opinions of one sect, faith or opinion. And that one book called bible is as biased as the quran, torah or most any secular faith. The error of the religiously bound.

not a word in existence came from anything other than man/women, period!

it was written well before Jesus, from confucius. Jesus learned from the words written by men and experienced life within God, just as any man alive can do, by choice!

Nothing magical or omnipotent about that, just a 'good' man contributing to existence. Kind of like what Darwin also did for mankind; he gave of himself for knowledge to evolve.

You yourself said my grammar was on top...

In order to understand one's language, one must understand the people speaking the language...

Same goes for the Bible.

 

[Bishadi]

You yourself said my grammar was on top...

nope..... i mentioned you finally found something of use for yourself

In order to understand one's language, one must understand the people speaking the language...

and since each word was created in many dialects and cultures then to even speak english you would need to know latin and a host of cultures since the beginning of time

Same goes for the Bible.

as i agree

such that to take the bible as valuable knowledge, then to understand the creation of the bible is important. Meaning; how many know the books of the bible were voted in rather than from God's request?

Or that Jesus said Himself he was not 'good'

Or that Moses was dead millenium(s) before genesis was even put to pen?

So in order for any integrity to be granted to the words of bible, then it is first required to know the infallibility of man's works within all that exists; perfectly understood as God himself.

 

[Quahom1]

nope..... i mentioned you finally found something of use for yourself

and since each word was created in many dialects and cultures then to even speak english you would need to know latin and a host of cultures since the beginning of time

as i agree

such that to take the bible as valuable knowledge, then to understand the creation of the bible is important. Meaning; how many know the books of the bible were voted in rather than from God's request?

Or that Jesus said Himself he was not 'good'

Or that Moses was dead millenium(s) before genesis was even put to pen?

So in order for any integrity to be granted to the words of bible, then it is first required to know the infallibility of man's works within all that exists; perfectly understood as God himself.

Ah, 10 years in Catholic schooling helped me well with Latin and Greek...Hebrew is a bit tough, but I can muddle through it.

Jesus said the man was not good, never said his divinity was not good. We don't know when Genesis was penned, or the rest of the four remaining books of the Pentatuch.

No, what it needed is "faith"...pure and simple.

Merry Christmas

 

[Bishadi]

Ah, 10 years in Catholic schooling helped me well with Latin and Greek...Hebrew is a bit tough, but I can muddle through it.

do you know the people?

the culture?

you know, as you suggested.

Jesus said the man was not good, never said his divinity was not good.

He said HE was not GOOD as only GOD IS......

kind of basic for anyone who can read as well comprehend Jesus was a man of flesh and blood

We don't know when Genesis was penned, or the rest of the four remaining books of the Pentatuch.

but you think it is the word of God............ How can you believe something and not know its origins or like you said, you must know the people


shall i quote

In order to understand one's language, one must understand the people speaking the language...

Same goes for the Bible.

perhaps you want to retract your comment? Being that you know not what you write or at least comprehend what it means to represent the responsibility of opinion

No, what it needed is "faith"...pure and simple.

Faith in what?

Bible says keep the rules and have faith the truth will exist one day.

That is what the bible says to have faith in

And Merry xmas to yu 2........

By the way jesus was not born in the winter but i understand your meaning; you will follow what everybody else follows..... kind of like them 'numbered' in order to buy, sell and earn any income or goods........

a part of the beast!

 

[greymare]

oh and a bah humbug to you Bish

 

[Quahom1]

SO is the bible. Then voting became the cause of changes and inclusions, just like the tanach and ammendments to laws.

Ever notice the original schism of christianity.......... changes created by men, not God. So to even interpret the words from one language to another is suspect to man's opinions. This 'fact' alone is one that each person of religious (christian for example) faith must come to terms with first as an absolute truth.

yes they are...... just as them stories from all them different opinions (books of the bible) are not from God as a man on a thrown. They were opinions of their point of view, not God's.

Perhaps a reality check is in order? Every color of mankind is of God's children so to know God is to know far more than the opinions of one sect, faith or opinion. And that one book called bible is as biased as the quran, torah or most any secular faith. The error of the religiously bound.

not a word in existence came from anything other than man/women, period!

it was written well before Jesus, from confucius. Jesus learned from the words written by men and experienced life within God, just as any man alive can do, by choice!

Nothing magical or omnipotent about that, just a 'good' man contributing to existence. Kind of like what Darwin also did for mankind; he gave of himself for knowledge to evolve.

Darwin, was a "Christian", and regretted much of his loss of faith, and subsequent causing of doubt among his fellow man (as confessed to his relations at his death bed)...

He did not want faith to be blind (I understand that). But without faith, science is lame (He acknowledged that).

edit: I'd like to discuss more of this posted thought of yours, with you. But let's see.

 

[Bishadi]

Darwin, was a "Christian", and regretted much of his loss of faith, and subsequent causing of doubt among his fellow man (as confessed to his relations at his death bed)...

note the compassion HE had for others, he actually cared for what His work will cause; whether good or bad.

but to keep both feet grounded we should be able to agree, he just shared what he observed and put it into writting. (He gave of himself for others)

he kept samples and drew pictures all the while to simply increase the amount of data that ended up creating an outlook showing how the various species are all interrelated

and if God began existence...... and is the 'light of life' within all that exists, we can apply Darwins contributions and be thankful for the increased understanding that reveals that an evolution of 'light' does progress (evolution of life)

It was not His gifts that were wrong, it was that the clergy considered and conveyed the material truths as contradicting any belief in God.

So hate the clergy for imposing the guilt on one of our humble contributers of knowledge. (just like galilleo)

Consider it like what the Jewish clergy did to Jesus; rather than observe and appreciate the additions to knowledge, they tried to kill the man for being of esoteric awareness and knowledge. (it takes their power away)

the same reason the libraries of many lands were burned and forever lost

He did not want faith to be blind (I understand that). But without faith, science is lame (He acknowledged that).

That true 'faith' is that in time we shall understand.

But we all know from socates and even the bible have beautiful WISDOM to learn.

Faith has been misdirected by religion when within most every religion on earth the core 'faith' is to trust that God will provide.

edit: I'd like to discuss more of this posted thought of yours, with you. But let's see.

ask anything you feel that is good for life and the understanding of every person you can ever know

or perhaps i should pull out the magic wand and just say 'poof' and everybody is saved.....

sorry about the poke but it seems best to remind you of facts, ONE; magic don't exist and Two; me just a person and unless we bond mutually for the single intent of others over the self, i could get the twitch in my neck again

 

[Quahom1]

note the compassion HE had for others, he actually cared for what His work will cause; whether good or bad.

but to keep both feet grounded we should be able to agree, he just shared what he observed and put it into writting. (He gave of himself for others)

Indeed, but it wasn't Darwin, who set out to disprove God...it was others who took his work and twisted it to meet their own religious agenda...

 

[Quahom1]

I would like to continue with you on this train of thought, of yours.

 

[Quahom1]

It was not His gifts that were wrong, it was that the clergy considered and conveyed the material truths as contradicting any belief in God.

So hate the clergy for imposing the guilt on one of our humble contributers of knowledge. (just like galilleo)

It was not "clergy" who ran with Darwin's thoughts and observations, and declared God dead. It was the social burgeausie and aristocrats who had no time for God interfering with their high social life, that did.

 

[Quahom1]

Consider it like what the Jewish clergy did to Jesus; rather than observe and appreciate the additions to knowledge, they tried to kill the man for being of esoteric awareness and knowledge. (it takes their power away)

the same reason the libraries of many lands were burned and forever lost

Apples and oranges here. There is no comparrison. Big difference between there is no God, and God is not granted you special powers, carpenter...

But then again, you may be right. The powerful do not want the common man to be equal to them...different ideals, same concept.

 

[Quahom1]

That true 'faith' is that in time we shall understand.

But we all know from socates and even the bible have beautiful WISDOM to learn.

Faith has been misdirected by religion when within most every religion on earth the core 'faith' is to trust that God will provide.

Faith is true, now. Any misdirection is due to people able to manipulate people...not distort faith. To each man the laws of God have been imprinted upon his heart...

Follow the laws of God, or listen to the seduction of men attempting to whoo the faithful from that God...that too is an ugly religion.

 

[Quahom1]

ask anything you feel that is good for life and the understanding of every person you can ever know

or perhaps i should pull out the magic wand and just say 'poof' and everybody is saved.....

sorry about the poke but it seems best to remind you of facts, ONE; magic don't exist and Two; me just a person and unless we bond mutually for the single intent of others over the self, i could get the twitch in my neck again

Don't worry about the poke. And magic is the non understanding of forces around us, so we scoff and call it a parlor trick. That too is a fear based reaction to what we don't understand (yet). Another name for it is "denial".

It's like this: For those that eat meat nowadays, that meat comes neatly packaged in plastic, fresh and red, cleaned up and ready to cook and serve. For most, the process from going from the farm to the freezer is "magic".

Reality is the killing, dressing, stripping and quartering of the source of meat (a very messy job, never mind the fact that a life had to be taken to get to this point).

Once one does that, the steak or venison sitting on one's plate takes on a whole new and enlightening meaning...the "magic of denial" is gone, replaced by the "Awe of reality"...

Eating that meat, becomes almost spiritual, and definately thought sobering, as to what life is partially about...

 

[TheKhan]

My 2 cents.

.. what it needed is "faith"...pure and simple

Faith has been misdirected by religion when within most every religion on earth the core 'faith' is to trust that God will provide.

Without faith, there is no religion, its just a political group or social gathering. And I have to disagree that most every religion still preach, put emphasis on this "faith" or do a good job at it if that is what you mean. There are so many words and other things attached, I think there is much to get confused about like that "blind faith" you guys mentioned.

I`d like to put emphasis on "'faith' is to trust that God will provide". This is absolutely true. But sometimes I think we have to be careful what we ask for. I once got what I really wanted and at the time I kind of thought of it as a nightmare from time to time, whether God had anything to do with that or not.


My reason for posting is, I can understand why the clergy would declare Darwinism as something they are not interested in. But can you explain to me why you guys think Darwinism has nothing to do with GOD if that is the case, whether it contradicts Genesis or something. I`ll have to go back to Genesis, but if I remember right, if you change the time values for the definition of the word "days" in Genesis, it all makes sense.

Anyways, Darwinism makes total sense to me, along with my beliefs in God. I`d ignore Genesis although a good story if it contradicts Darwinism, and I`d really like to understand Darwin in terms of what he meant by losing "faith", because there is only one kind of faith, unless he meant the loss of "clergy-kind faith".

Are there people in this day of age in Churches who deny Darwinism, btw?
What if Darwinism was a revelation of some sort?

 

[Quahom1]

My 2 cents.




Without faith, there is no religion, its just a political group or social gathering. And I have to disagree that most every religion still preach, put emphasis on this "faith" or do a good job at it if that is what you mean. There are so many words and other things attached, I think there is much to get confused about like that "blind faith" you guys mentioned.

I`d like to put emphasis on "'faith' is to trust that God will provide". This is absolutely true. But sometimes I think we have to be careful what we ask for. I once got what I really wanted and at the time I kind of thought of it as a nightmare from time to time, whether God had anything to do with that or not.


My reason for posting is, I can understand why the clergy would declare Darwinism as something they are not interested in. But can you explain to me why you guys think Darwinism has nothing to do with GOD if that is the case, whether it contradicts Genesis or something. I`ll have to go back to Genesis, but if I remember right, if you change the time values for the definition of the word "days" in Genesis, it all makes sense.

Anyways, Darwinism makes total sense to me, along with my beliefs in God. I`d ignore Genesis although a good story if it contradicts Darwinism, and I`d really like to understand Darwin in terms of what he meant by losing "faith", because there is only one kind of faith, unless he meant the loss of "clergy-kind faith".

Are there people in this day of age in Churches who deny Darwinism, btw?
What if Darwinism was a revelation of some sort?

I am not contradicting Darwin's observations as being opposed to God. Indeed I have no problem with his observations (neither does my faith, or religious affiliation). Others, decidedly anti "God" however, for that past century and a half, to this day, scream how science dispells the existence of God, or the way the Bible presents God...and most importantly, the timeline as set forth in the Bible.

Blinded by faith, blinded by science...blind period...

 

[Bishadi]

Indeed, but it wasn't Darwin, who set out to disprove God...it was others who took his work and twisted it to meet their own religious agenda...

Most who read of Darwin have no real 'religious agenda'

they seek truth, not beliefs!

and our committment to God, existence, our future and mankind is to be Honest as priority 'A' number one. It is the best choice a human being can make in all cases.