Kidney Stones!

So far I have found the real problem for Western societies
is the consumption of high quantities of meat protein.
This is more likely the cause of the same issues which are being
projected as a problem with milk. Including this research done
on osteoporosis. I doubt the Chinese have less of this disease
because they consume less milk, but because they consume
a lot less meat.

Most of the problems with cows milk, I think are better explained
by the sad state of the cows in the US, pumped up with Bovine Growth Hormone.
If I were living in the US, I wouldnt go near milk...

but since I'm not... milk = :)
 
c0de said:
So far I have found the real problem for Western societies
is the consumption of high quantities of meat protein.
This is more likely the cause of the same issues which are being
projected as a problem with milk. Including this research done
on osteoporosis. I doubt the Chinese have less of this disease
because they consume less milk, but because they consume
a lot less meat.

Most of the problems with cows milk, I think are better explained
by the sad state of the cows in the US, pumped up with Bovine Growth Hormone.
If I were living in the US, I wouldnt go near milk...

but since I'm not... milk = :)
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Milk is great if you are a calf looking to gain 300 pounds in your first six months. Mother's milk is great for humans too...drinking cross species is questionable at best imo, and drinking milk long after time to be weaned...well tis only humans that do that eh?
 
I don't think "it's only humans that do that" is a very strong argument.
 
Possibly. There are different things that humans do that other animals don't. Some I think are positive, some I think are negative, but not because humans do it and other animals don't. I just think you could find stronger arguments to support yourself than "other animals don't do it."
 
wil said:
Milk is great if you are a calf looking to gain 300 pounds in your first six months. Mother's milk is great for humans too...drinking cross species is questionable at best imo, and drinking milk long after time to be weaned...well tis only humans that do that eh?
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wait...
cow milk is only for calves?
so are eggs only for hatching into chickens?
What about plants? are they only for producing seeds for other plants?

I dont know about this line of argumentation wil...
 
Hi, no one has mentioned too much soda. One flavor that is popular instead of coffee in the morning has caused stones in coworkers I've know.
Joe

wait...
cow milk is only for calves?
so are eggs only for hatching into chickens?
What about plants? are they only for producing seeds for other plants?
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lets see: eat meat, eat chickens and eat fruits and vegges. don't eat the seeds. LOL
 
c0de said:
wait...
cow milk is only for calves?
so are eggs only for hatching into chickens?
What about plants? are they only for producing seeds for other plants?

I dont know about this line of argumentation wil...
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Ok, spose I should start another thread and move all this over there.

As I see it it is natural for babies to be fed milk from their mothers with all the nutrients requireed for newborns. Once the newborn no longer needs mothers milk it moves slowly to its next foods...grass for cows; seeds, eggs, plants for us.

Milk, I drank it like crazy as a kid...not at all anymore.
 
wil said:
Ok, spose I should start another thread and move all this over there.
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that mite B a good idea askshully
we dont wanna disturb Dauer's thread


As I see it it is natural for babies to be fed milk from their mothers with all the nutrients requireed for newborns. Once the newborn no longer needs mothers milk it moves slowly to its next foods...
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the need for those nutrients in milk is not what stops,
your digestive system develops further so you can
digest more items. Besides, if those protein stripping
qualities actually were as destructive as some say,
then wouldn't babies have some serious issues?


grass for cows; seeds, eggs, plants for us.
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... you forgot meat.


Milk, I drank it like crazy as a kid...not at all anymore.
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Well... i rather be called a kid 4 the rest of my life
then give up drinking milk man. (unless that milk comes
spiked with rBGH like in the States).
 
Was back in the ER early this morning, around 5 or so. I'd been unable to keep down water and the pain had increased. They got me IV fluids and pumped me with three meds, one for nausea and the other two to cover pain/inflammation. I just got back from the pharmacy and am now armed with prescription strength ibuprofen and, for if it gets real bad again, percocet.

I've got to say I'm really surprised at how awesome the staff were at the hospital I visited. It's not a big-name hospital (and we have a crapload of those around Boston) so I wasn't expecting spectacular care, but I got it. The nurses and doctors all seemed to show a sincere concern for me on both visits and were quick to answer any questions I had fully.

It was kinda funny walking to the pharmacy. My face is blotchy from all the dry heaving and all of the muscles in it are extremely relaxed. Whatever they gave me messed with my prioperception temporarily, but that effect seems to be wearing off. When I closed my eyes I couldn't tell where my arms were in relation to one another which made me queasy. When I walked to the pharmacy I'd not walk properly over curves.
 
dauer said:
Was back in the ER early this morning, around 5 or so. I'd been unable to keep down water and the pain had increased. They got me IV fluids and pumped me with three meds, one for nausea and the other two to cover pain/inflammation. I just got back from the pharmacy and am now armed with prescription strength ibuprofen and, for if it gets real bad again, percocet.

I've got to say I'm really surprised at how awesome the staff were at the hospital I visited. It's not a big-name hospital (and we have a crapload of those around Boston) so I wasn't expecting spectacular care, but I got it. The nurses and doctors all seemed to show a sincere concern for me on both visits and were quick to answer any questions I had fully.

It was kinda funny walking to the pharmacy. My face is blotchy from all the dry heaving and all of the muscles in it are extremely relaxed. Whatever they gave me messed with my prioperception temporarily, but that effect seems to be wearing off. When I closed my eyes I couldn't tell where my arms were in relation to one another which made me queasy. When I walked to the pharmacy I'd not walk properly over curves.
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Sorry to hear its been no fun for you :(

Even getting "oot yer heed" on pharms wears thin. If it is going to be short term pain tho go straight to the top....opiates....but not if it might be longer term.

Get well soon !!

tao
 
Did the doctors get the results back from your tests?
Whats the plan of action?
 
Well the last time I was in they did a CT scan. It indicated that I have a kidney stone. So for the time being I'm just treating the pain, drinking a lot and hoping it'll pass on its own. I need to setup a followup with my PCP.
 
My heart is with you my brother. They say if child birth were as painful as kidney stones we would not have a population problem and possibly be extinct.

My first bout was similar to what you are now fighting. I was living in the woods outside of Anchorage, Alaska. 4th of July weekend, had three choices of adventure to partake in, a fly-in salmon fishing trip, a horseback pack just this side of Denali, or halibut fishing off the Kenai.

I wanted to finish building a little porch and upgrade my outhouse to having a larger shower capacity (hang a 55 gallon drum in the tree) and build me a couple of willow chairs and also had an urge to see what fireworks looked like when it wasn't even dark...

So I passed on the various adventures with my friends, but went up Friday night to help load the horses into the trailer (in Wasilla, the town I'd never expect to be on national news) and on the way home I took a different route and drove right by a hospital that was less than 3 miles from my plot in the forest. (I was a squatter of sorts)

Speaking of squatting, I woke up in the middle of the night terribly uncomfortable, feeling quite constipated but couldn't pee or poop couldn't figure out what was going on... after three hours of this I got up and drove to that newfound hospital and after them tying me to the bed (because I punched a hole in their wall) I was diagnosed with kidney stones and eventually set free with drugs and a strainer.

I went about my business getting stuff built and playing in my little neck of the woods and seeing the fireworks (at 10 pm it was still quite bright and you could see the fireworks but also see all the smoke and debris from the explosions). And then on the third night after the first incident I woke up with the same pain again, but worse. I wasted no time this time and headed to the hospital, along the way I passed out from pain while driving and woke up with my van rocking back and forth trying to crawl up a hill in a field. I got 'er back on the road and into ER. As I walked up to the nurse their faces changed and looked shocked as they hauled me back, evidently I looked horrible. They gave me morphine and took blood tests and hooked me upto IV's...they said my blood was poisoned from the stones, scraping and slicing and I ended up in there for three days.

They told me if I'd have gone on any of my trips I may not have had time to get to a hospital.

So afterword I learned about that deadly hydrangea....and will keep it handy.

I feel for ya...the memories are strong...them stones are nasty.
 
dauer said:
Was back in the ER early this morning, around 5 or so. I'd been unable to keep down water and the pain had increased. They got me IV fluids and pumped me with three meds, one for nausea and the other two to cover pain/inflammation. I just got back from the pharmacy and am now armed with prescription strength ibuprofen and, for if it gets real bad again, percocet.

I've got to say I'm really surprised at how awesome the staff were at the hospital I visited. It's not a big-name hospital (and we have a crapload of those around Boston) so I wasn't expecting spectacular care, but I got it. The nurses and doctors all seemed to show a sincere concern for me on both visits and were quick to answer any questions I had fully.

It was kinda funny walking to the pharmacy. My face is blotchy from all the dry heaving and all of the muscles in it are extremely relaxed. Whatever they gave me messed with my prioperception temporarily, but that effect seems to be wearing off. When I closed my eyes I couldn't tell where my arms were in relation to one another which made me queasy. When I walked to the pharmacy I'd not walk properly over curves.
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They gave you high-dose Ibuprofen when you are having kidney problems? :eek: :mad:
Kidney Peril Found in the Pain Reliever Ibuprofen
 
Hi Dauer,

Maybe look into possibility of having the stone shattered by means of ESWL, which uses focused shock waves to break up the stone.

There's a lithotripter machine at Faulkner hospital - 1153 Centre Street, Boston (617) 983-7000

Apparently that machine gets used by Brigham hospital - 75 Francis Street Boston (617) 732-5500

There's another one of those machines at Massachusetts General - 55 Fruit Street, Boston (617) 726-2000

One obvious advantage to dealing with it this way it that it can help minimize possible damage to the kidney.

The effectiveness of his approach is quite good (I saw a 85% success rate). I would call and see about seeing a doctor with the urology department of one of those hospitals.

If you pass the stone, you might want to get it analyzed to get a sense for how it was formed based on the chemistry. Here's a study that suggests the role of nanobacteria in the formation of stones.
SpringerLink - Journal Article

If you like cranberry juice, I did find a study indicating it can help.

 
Netti-Netti said:
Hi Dauer,

Maybe look into possibility of having the stone shattered by means of ESWL, which uses focused shock waves to break up the stone.

There's a lithotripter machine at Faulkner hospital - 1153 Centre Street, Boston (617) 983-7000

Apparently that machine gets used by Brigham hospital - 75 Francis Street Boston (617) 732-5500

There's another one of those machines at Massachusetts General - 55 Fruit Street, Boston (617) 726-2000

One obvious advantage to dealing with it this way it that it can help minimize possible damage to the kidney.

The effectiveness of his approach is quite good (I saw a 85% success rate). I would call and see about seeing a doctor with the urology department of one of those hospitals.

If you pass the stone, you might want to get it analyzed to get a sense for how it was formed based on the chemistry. Here's a study that suggests the role of nanobacteria in the formation of stones.
SpringerLink - Journal Article

If you like cranberry juice, I did find a study indicating it can help.

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I agree. Please check into it, dauer.
 
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