The Helper/Comforter?HolySpirit

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Hello everyone.
I just had a question maby yall could help me with. I wanted to know yalls opinion on the matter of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is called the Comforter and the Helper. Is the Comforter the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ? Because in John 16:7 Jesus says that He has to depart from the disciples before the Helper will come. It sounds to me that Jesus had to die first before He could send the Helper. So to make this short, Is Jesus the comforter,Helper, Holy Spirit?
 
Hello everyone.
I just had a question maby yall could help me with. I wanted to know yalls opinion on the matter of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is called the Comforter and the Helper. Is the Comforter the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ? Because in John 16:7 Jesus says that He has to depart from the disciples before the Helper will come. It sounds to me that Jesus had to die first before He could send the Helper. So to make this short, Is Jesus the comforter,Helper, Holy Spirit?

No!

He was a teacher, as was Mohammed, Paul or even Confucius, Darwin and Einstein.

IN fact your teacher in school perhaps has been exposed to far more knowledge than all of them, as we each can read most all of 'their' works combined, within a week.

The Holy Spirit is the 'light' of existence. This means that of the trinity (mass, energy (light) and time), the light that combines all mass is the spirit of God.

The Holy Spirit is the life of everything that exists.

Not theologically speaking or by referencing a single book of some religion, but of the true science of biology, physics and within most every religious book on earth.

For example; the cross of Christianity/Egypt is simply a rendition of light (electric and magnetic field at perpendicular planes is .......... electromagnetism/light)

Just think of the Holy Spirit as the 'light of life.' (Just in case you had not heard that before)

We are all literally entangled to all that exists, by God.


Jesus was not the one to bring Peace upon the earth, that is why HE knew the last to come was in the future and not He himself.

Good question and reading comprehension. :)
 
Hello everyone.
I just had a question maby yall could help me with. I wanted to know yalls opinion on the matter of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is called the Comforter and the Helper. Is the Comforter the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ? Because in John 16:7 Jesus says that He has to depart from the disciples before the Helper will come. It sounds to me that Jesus had to die first before He could send the Helper. So to make this short, Is Jesus the comforter,Helper, Holy Spirit?
Here is a christian answer: Yes, the Holy Spirit is of Jesus Christ, just as it is of the Father, Just as the Father sends the Spirit, so does Christ. Jesus did not have to die for the Spirit to be present, but it was to "come" as a replacement of Christ who was present with us in the world for a time making God known through His words and works of God. Through the Spirit the disciples would go out into the world and preach the gospel continuing the work of Christ and it would be a witness that they were from God, which is continued through the Church by spreading the gospel to all the earth. God is a God of comfort, which is why you can take comfort in God's mercy, his grace, and his love, and you can take comfort in the work done on the cross and the resurrection of the Son of God, and take comfort that the Spirit can dwell in you and give you hope, strength, comfort, and peace that God has provided salvation and a kingdom for his own.
 
Here is a christian answer:
perhaps just say it is YOUR view.

please do not try and speak for/label 'christians' as being like you...

BF..... you do not represent 'christianity' to mankind. You represent what you believe!

Meaning; you are no teacher or witness of 'the christ'..... period!
 
In that case, a mainstream Christian answer. :)

Don't berate other members for giving a view that was invited, thanks, Bishadi. :)
 
What
is the holy spirit?

A comparison of Bible texts that refer to the holy spirit shows that it is spoken of as ‘filling’ people; they can be ‘baptized’ with it; and they can be "anointed" with it. (Luke 1:41; Matt. 3:11; Acts 10:38) None of these expressions would be appropriate if the holy spirit were a person.


Jesus also referred to the holy spirit as a "helper" (Greek, pa·ra´kle·tos), and he said that this helper would "teach," "bear witness," "speak," and ‘hear.’ (John 14:16, 17, 26; 15:26; 16:13)

It is not unusual in the Scriptures for something to be personified.

For example, wisdom is said to have "children." (Luke 7:35)

Sin and death are spoken of as being kings. (Rom. 5:14, 21)

While some texts say that the spirit "spoke," other passages make clear that this was done through angels or humans. (Acts 4:24, 25; 28:25; Matt. 10:19, 20; compare Acts 20:23 with 21:10, 11.)


At 1 John 5:6-8, not only the spirit but also "the water and the blood" are said to ‘bear witness.’ So, none of the expressions found in these texts in themselves prove that the holy spirit is a person.





The correct identification of the holy spirit must fit all the scriptures that refer to that spirit.

With this viewpoint, it is logical to conclude that the holy spirit is the active force of God.

It is not a person but is a powerful force that God causes to emanate from himself to accomplish his holy will.—Ps. 104:30; 2 Pet. 1:21; Acts 4:31.




HOLY SPIRIT IS THE ACTIVE FORCE OF GOD:)


its a force in motion

 
Hi Winner —

The Holy Spirit is called the Comforter and the Helper.
Indeed. He has many names.

Is the Comforter the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ?
Simple answer — no. The Comforter is sent by God: "And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete" (John 14:16).

Longer answer is not quite so simple: "But the Paraclete, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name" (John 14:26) begins to confuse the issue — why would the Father not send in His own name? And furthermore "But when the Paraclete cometh, whom I will send you from the Father" (John 15:26) — by what authority does the Son tell the Father what to do?

Here we are 'alerted', if you will, to a central Mystery of Christianity, and here we engage in Trinitarian theology.

Because in John 16:7 Jesus says that He has to depart from the disciples before the Helper will come. It sounds to me that Jesus had to die first before He could send the Helper.
I would say not quite — rather, Jesus' Mission has to be fulfilled before the Mission of the Holy Spirit can commence. John says:
"He that believeth in me, as the scripture saith, Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. Now this he said of the Spirit which they should receive, who believed in him: for as yet the Spirit was not given, because Jesus was not yet glorified" (John 7:38-39).

In His last instruction to His disciples, He says: "But you shall receive the power of the Holy Ghost coming upon you, and you shall be witnesses unto me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and Samaria, and even to the uttermost part of the earth" (Acts 1:8). The implication is that they shall be witnesses only after the coming of the Holy Spirit, as evidenced at Pentecost (Acts 1 and 2).

So I would say that Jesus's Mission was accomplished through His death on the Cross (the accomplishment being His victory over our dying). By His rising physically — body and soul — from the dead can we too rise from our own deaths, and this is Mission of the Holy Spirit, in that by participation in the life of the Holy Spirit we are joined in the eternal life (because the Holy Spirit is in the Father and the Son eternally and thus equally coexistent and consubstantial with Them) of the Son and of the Father.

St Paul was equally aware of the necessity of the Presence of the Holy Spirit, and the particular nature of His mission: "And no man can say the Lord Jesus, but by the Holy Spirit" (1 Corinthians 12:3).
So it's more a case that only in the Holy Spirit can we know the Son, and only in the Son can we know the Father.

So to make this short, Is Jesus the comforter, Helper, Holy Spirit?
In short: Yes — He is God, as the Holy Spirit is God, as the Father is God, and No — He is other than the Holy Spirit as He is other than the Father.

Perhaps a way to think of it is this:
John 14:16-17: "And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with, you for ever. The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive";
Two things — Jesus says 'another' Paraclete, so he is not talking of Himself, and yet he says that other Paraclete is 'the spirit of truth', which is who He is "I am the way, and the truth, and the life" (John 6:14).
As we know even His closest disciples did not understand all things He said to them. He, Jesus, the spirit of truth, was with them, but they knew Him only as man might know Him. Christ makes that point when Peter makes his confession, Peter says: "Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:16-17).

So man cannot know who Christ is, unless it is revealed in him, and this is the work of the Holy Spirit, in bringing man to the fullness of that knowing. It is the Father's will that the Son be known, that the Father might be known to man; it is the Son's will that the Father be known, that the Father might be known to man — both wish that man knows the Other as He does, and Each knows the Other in the Holy Spirit, and each wills that in the Holy Spirit we might know Them.

Otherwise, our knowledge is always external to the reality — we know of God, but we don't know God. The term Father, Abba, 'father', implies a whole different order of knowing, beyond knowledge and ideas (physical gnosis), and it is to that order of knowing that we are called, adoption into a family, the most intimate expression of a union in any language, that is the true gnosis of which the Christian speaks (cf. 1 Timonthy 6:20).

"And because you are sons, God hath sent the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying: Abba, Father" (Galatians 4:6).

By the power of the Holy Spirit, the Son became incarnate in Mary (Luke 1:35), and it is by the power of the Holy Spirit that we become part of that new order of incarnation.
"For whosoever are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For you have not received the spirit of bondage again in fear; but you have received the spirit of adoption of sons, whereby we cry: Abba" (Romans 8:14-15).

The spirit of adoption comes from God, not from ourselves — therefore we have no claim upon the Divine Life as such.

Thomas
 
Here is a christian answer: Yes, the Holy Spirit is of Jesus Christ, just as it is of the Father, Just as the Father sends the Spirit, so does Christ. Jesus did not have to die for the Spirit to be present, but it was to "come" as a replacement of Christ who was present with us in the world for a time making God known through His words and works of God. Through the Spirit the disciples would go out into the world and preach the gospel continuing the work of Christ and it would be a witness that they were from God, which is continued through the Church by spreading the gospel to all the earth. God is a God of comfort, which is why you can take comfort in God's mercy, his grace, and his love, and you can take comfort in the work done on the cross and the resurrection of the Son of God, and take comfort that the Spirit can dwell in you and give you hope, strength, comfort, and peace that God has provided salvation and a kingdom for his own.


You said Jesus did not have to die for the comforter to come.

Yet Jesus said "if I do not depart from you the comforter can not come.
What else could He had meant? If not depart meaning die>
 
Hi Winner —


Indeed. He has many names.


Simple answer — no. The Comforter is sent by God: "And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete" (John 14:16).

" (John 14:26) begins to confuse the issue — why would the Father not send in His own name? And furthermore "But when the Paraclete cometh, whom I will send you from the Father" (John 15:26) —
, to a central Mystery of Christianity, and here we engage in Trinitarian theolog
I would say not quite — rather, Jesus' Mission has to be fulfilled before the Mission of the Holy Spirit can commence. John says:
"He that believeth in me, as the scripture saith, Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. Now this he said of the Spirit which they should receive, who believed in him: for as yet the Spirit was not given, because Jesus was not yet glorified" (John 7:38-39).

In His last instruction to His disciples, He says: "But you shall receive the power of the Holy Ghost coming upon you, and you shall be witnesses unto me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and Samaria, and even to the uttermost part of the earth" (Acts 1:8). The implication is that they shall be witnesses only after the coming of the Holy Spirit, as evidenced at Pentecost (Acts 1 and 2).

So I would say that Jesus's Mission was accomplished through His death on the Cross (the accomplishment being His victory over our dying). By His rising physically — body and soul — from the dead can we too rise from our own deaths, and this is Mission of the Holy Spirit, in that by participation in the life of the Holy Spirit we are joined in the eternal life (because the Holy Spirit is in the Father and the Son eternally and thus equally coexistent and consubstantial with Them) of the Son and of the Father.

St Paul was equally aware of the necessity of the Presence of the Holy Spirit, and the particular nature of His mission: "And no man can say the Lord Jesus, but by the Holy Spirit" (1 Corinthians 12:3).
So it's more a case that only in the Holy Spirit can we know the Son, and only in the Son can we know the Father.


In short: Yes — He is God, as the Holy Spirit is God, as the Father is God, and No — He is other than the Holy Spirit as He is other than the Father.

Perhaps a way to think of it is this:
John 14:16-17: "And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with, you for ever. The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive";
Two things — Jesus says 'another' Paraclete, so he is not talking of Himself, and yet he says that other Paraclete is 'the spirit of truth', which is who He is "I am the way, and the truth, and the life" (John 6:14).
As we know even His closest disciples did not understand all things He said to them. He, Jesus, the spirit of truth, was with them, but they knew Him only as man might know Him. Christ makes that point when Peter makes his confession, Peter says: "Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:16-17).

So man cannot know who Christ is, unless it is revealed in him, and this is the work of the Holy Spirit, in bringing man to the fullness of that knowing. It is the Father's will that the Son be known, that the Father might be known to man; it is the Son's will that the Father be known, that the Father might be known to man — both wish that man knows the Other as He does, and Each knows the Other in the Holy Spirit, and each wills that in the Holy Spirit we might know Them.

Otherwise, our knowledge is always external to the reality — we know of God, but we don't know God. The term Father, Abba, 'father', implies a whole different order of knowing, beyond knowledge and ideas (physical gnosis), and it is to that order of knowing that we are called, adoption into a family, the most intimate expression of a union in any language, that is the true gnosis of which the Christian speaks (cf. 1 Timonthy 6:20).

"And because you are sons, God hath sent the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying: Abba, Father" (Galatians 4:6).

By the power of the Holy Spirit, the Son became incarnate in Mary (Luke 1:35), and it is by the power of the Holy Spirit that we become part of that new order of incarnation.
"For whosoever are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For you have not received the spirit of bondage again in fear; but you have received the spirit of adoption of sons, whereby we cry: Abba" (Romans 8:14-15).

The spirit of adoption comes from God, not from ourselves — therefore we have no claim upon the Divine Life as such.

Thomas[/

Thomas your pretty smart when it comes to this sort of stuff. I also notice that You back it up with scripture.

Q. Do you really believe in what the scritpure says? or are you just quoting them to back up a point that you really don/t believe. No disrespect intended.
 
You said Jesus did not have to die for the comforter to come.

Yet Jesus said "if I do not depart from you the comforter can not come.
What else could He had meant? If not depart meaning die>

Before Jesus came to us, and while he was with us, the Holy Spirit was already at work, because it is through the Spirit that Christ is revealed as it was to Abraham, David, and John the Baptist, etc. He was talking specifically to those going out to start the church, that the Spirit would be a witness that those who would be starting the church with Christ as the foundation were from God, and with the power of the Spirit glorify God by bringing many to Christ. After Christ had left, certain scriptures about him were fulfilled, that is Christ is now resurrected and is forever high priest, the living temple, the Lord God and Saviour, and that is the gospel that would go out to all the world. This is what the Christian church has been doing ever since.
 
Hi Winner —


Yes, although I also believe that one has to understand how to read Scripture.

Thomas


which basically means each person is capable of understanding with enough knowledge

as well it also means, that much of what people believe as true was created by opinions and often the creations of the ignorant; as each can apply their own opinion and create a new religion

But what each can and must understand, is that existence itself only works ONE way. Such that the medical field can and does apply knowledge of science, to the species of mankind that is equal to all mankind. Whereas in contrast, opinions of beliefs and religions vary all over the globe and people can choose which they like.

I trust existence (God) not the words of religious beliefs (creations of men/women)....

God is equal to all; i trust existence!
 
Hi Bishadi —
which basically means each person is capable of understanding with enough knowledge
Well that is self-evident. It rather depends upon what each person brings to the text.

as well it also means, that much of what people believe as true was created by opinions and often the creations of the ignorant; as each can apply their own opinion and create a new religion
Which is why the Church holds that what She transmits is not a matter of 'opinion' but Divine Revelation — as is evident from the disputes down through the ages. Opinions do not become doctrine or dogmas in the orthodox traditions, but can, and have, given rise to schism.

Today however, it is as you say. Each person determines their own religion according to their opinion. Tradition, by its very nature of 'handing on', transmits not current opinion on Scripture but the authentic voice of its witness.

Thomas
 
The Holy Spirit to me...............

Ive been empowered by Him..

He speaks to me every day if I would just listen.

He is always pointing me to Jesus Christ and never to Himself.

He is a person of the trinity with feelings and actions.

He is to me what Jesus would be if Jesus was standing next to me.

He inspires and teaches and scolds me.

He is saddened when Im disobedient and I miss Him when He is gone.

He is a constant in my life..

He is a gentle breeze or a mighty wind.

He is what allows my spirit to communicate with God.

He is so much more and still He keeps my face on my Lord Jesus and never asks for the worship and praise that being God deserves.

He is wonderful.
 
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