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Azure, when God gave Adam and Eve a commandment, what is a responsibility for them to fulfill or not ?Is it really our responsibility? Yes you say? Since you all agree give me a scripture on that?
For one thing, I know for a fact, that the word "responsibility" does not appear in the Scriptures. Not even in the King James, not even once. Maybe the "obligation rests with us?" No. That word isn’t used in the Bible either. Maybe these words aren't in the Bible because they are not true.
After the tragedy of the human fall when Adam and Eve volontarily trusted Lucifer instead of God and surrendered their authority to him, we can see that the whole Old Testament report story after story of chosen proviential figures to whom God asked to fulfill certain responsibilities to re-establish a new foundation of faith and reverse the order where Satan dominates man.
God ask Cain and Abel to offer a sacrifice. God ask Noah to build an Ark on the top of a mountain. God ask Abraham to offer a sacrifice. When he failed the first time, God asked him to offer a greater sacrifice the second time of his own son.
We can go on and on. The whole story in the bible in preparation to Jesus is about man fulfilling his portion of responsibility and prepare a new lineage where a new Messiah could be born.
When Tamar slept with her Father in law so she could continue God's lineage. She felt it was her responsibiliy to attend God in this way. Providential figures put their life on the line over and over to fulfill God's will.
Christ is the second Adam.Through the human fall we became part of Satan lineage as Jesus said. The problem with the Original sin has to be solved by a new sinless Adam (messiah) who had God's seed. That is where it starts."For even as in Adam, ALL are dying, thus ALSO, in Christ, shall ALL [this "all" is the same "all" that are dying in Adam, hence: everyone] be vivified [imparting life beyond the reaches of death
Yes , He is the first fruit, the first one to reach the 1st blessing given by God in Genesie. Be fruitful unfortunately, he was rejected and killed before he could fulfill the 2nd blessing in Genesis which is multiply. For this reason, we ourselves are still born with the original sin and the Messiah as to returnYet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ
During the human fall A&E died spiritually. Through the resurection, Jesus was completely victorious spiritually but Satan was able to take his precious body.... For He must be reigning until [but not longer] He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy is being abolished: death... Then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him [God the Father] Who subjects all to Him, that God may be ALL in ALL" (I Cor.. 15:22-28) (Emphasis mine). WOW!
Read I Tim. 4:10 very carefully:
Yes it rains on everyone, sinners or non sinners. Actually, we are all sinners and belong to Satan lineage. For God, we are ultimately all His children."... We rely on the living God, Who is the Savior of ALL mankind, especially of believers."
Including the sinners? You say? Does God only love sinners after they repent and believe in Christ as their Savior? No. ("... While we are STILL sinners, Christ died for our sakes." (Rom. 5:8).
Is God just "partial" toward saving some while condemning the rest? No. ("For there is no partiality with God ..." Rom. 2:11
"Yet the grace of our Lord OVERWHELMS, with faith and love in Christ Jesus." (I Tim. 1:14).
Yes God's grace is overwhelming. It is 95%. Like for Adam and Eve God requires us to do our own 5% so we can be co-creator with him. God's motivation to create was love. It takes 2 to experience love. Man's free response to God's love is essential.The Christian Clergy just can’t comprehend this verse. The grace of God overwhelms. Many clergymen fear that people will use grace for a license to sin if they teach it. The reality of it is, that people stop sinning because the grace of God overwhelms them. Grace is power!
One more extremely profound verse in Romans one. If only great theologians would believe it. Unfortunately, they don’t. Not totally. Okay, here it is:
God's live for the sake of his children. Part of growing up is to be responsible and trustworthy. God's also wants to receive perfect love from us. At the time of Jesus, it was people's responsibility to believe in Jesus. They had the free will to do it or not. No parent on earth can appreciate the love of their children if it was not free. It is the same for God."Faithful is this saying, and worthy of all welcome, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS ..." (Ver. 15).
All have sinned. All are sinning. All will sin. The whole world is composed of SINNERS.
I believe in the reality of free willDoes anyone here believe in the illusion of free will?