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Can we recognize differences without being egotistical about it? My USCF chess rating when I used to play was 1942. It meant that I was stronger than many but weaker than many others. I could get better but wasn't called to put in the study. Can I just accept it for what it is without either being intimidated or feeling superior? I believe so. However if I want to get better it means appreciating relativity in player strength.
We are a microcosm and as such have within us the same structure as the great universe and its levels of reality but just lower in scale just as the numbers ten to one are lower in scale then one hundred to ten. Can the higher within our collective being help the lower by allowing the light of consciousness to shine on it? I believe so and what happens through objective experiential self knowledge.
Recognition of objective quality is a completely different experience then being influenced by conditioned subjective quality. Unfortunately subjective concerns for quality of human life have become a dominant influence for control in society so objective differences in quality as they relate to conscious human potential are really lost. An esoteric student teacher relationship within a tradition that hasn't been secularized is an objective qualititative relationship. It may not be politically correct but it is genuine. When the student is ready, the teacher appears.
Because the world struggles against it to retain the status quo and our worldly life is a large part of our collective being.
It isn't being pessimistic but rather just experiencing self awareness. My experience is the same as Paul's in Romans 7:
This is that great question if we can change what we ARE by what we DO. I don't believe so especially in modern times since I've observed that what people do on Monday is often completely different than on Friday so all that really happens is trying to adjust rather then having the direct inner experience of the human condition that can change what a person IS.
This is what self knowledge is. Self knowledge doesn't judge subjectively but simply seeks to experience what is.Oh, I've heard all that before and the staircase analogy and so forth. But I notice I can learn from every being, mineral, plant, or animal, so why bother thinking of myself as somehow higher or them as somehow lower? I can draw nearer to God without judging other beings' quality. For me, where I am at, so to speak, relative to other beings, is irrelevant.
Can we recognize differences without being egotistical about it? My USCF chess rating when I used to play was 1942. It meant that I was stronger than many but weaker than many others. I could get better but wasn't called to put in the study. Can I just accept it for what it is without either being intimidated or feeling superior? I believe so. However if I want to get better it means appreciating relativity in player strength.
We are a microcosm and as such have within us the same structure as the great universe and its levels of reality but just lower in scale just as the numbers ten to one are lower in scale then one hundred to ten. Can the higher within our collective being help the lower by allowing the light of consciousness to shine on it? I believe so and what happens through objective experiential self knowledge.
Recognition of objective quality is a completely different experience then being influenced by conditioned subjective quality. Unfortunately subjective concerns for quality of human life have become a dominant influence for control in society so objective differences in quality as they relate to conscious human potential are really lost. An esoteric student teacher relationship within a tradition that hasn't been secularized is an objective qualititative relationship. It may not be politically correct but it is genuine. When the student is ready, the teacher appears.
Buddhism in the West has this idea of no self. Somehow we've become attached to the world that does not allow us to see that freedom isn't provided by the world but rather through becoming unattached. The trouble for me is that this excludes human meaning and purpose in the context of universal meaning and purpose and why we got here in the first place. My gut feeling and from what I've learned is that esoteric Buddhism doesn't have no self as an end but like Christianity is just leaving behind the created self which for us from our limited perspective, the result feels like no self rather then the seed of the soul. Enlightenment is just becoming aware of the human condition from a conscious perspective.condition.How is that different from Buddhist enlightenment to you?
But the universe is based on a triune relationship which means a higher, lower, and a middle. We are the middle between the higher and lower. So as we are the watcher of the lower, we are in turn noticed from above. the Gospel of Thomas describes this beautifully:I think Eckhart Tolle described this quite well- the awakening of the other-self that watches the body/mind self. This seems to happen in all religions, to those open to it.
(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
Why does it have to be very rare?
Because the world struggles against it to retain the status quo and our worldly life is a large part of our collective being.
Doesn't it seem that you're assuming that "we" are a plurality in a constant state of inner opposition? It seems that is a big assumption- as everyone is different. Please don't take offense, but you seem to be a bit of a pessimist. You often look toward the worst in humanity and talk in a way that seems despairing about yourself, others, the world around you. I look and see that there is joy and pain, beauty and ugliness... and figure why sit around despairing about it? Roll up my shirt sleeves and get to work...
It isn't being pessimistic but rather just experiencing self awareness. My experience is the same as Paul's in Romans 7:
If it is different with you then you have more inner unity than I do and have become master of yourself. But for me and others I've spoke to, Paul seems to hit the nail on the head.14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. 21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God's law; 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am!
If I feel inner opposition, reflect on that and change it so I am in harmony. If I feel opposition in the world, reflect on that and work toward peace. Any task seems enormous, but the reality is we need only to step forward one moment at a time, and that is very do-able.
This is that great question if we can change what we ARE by what we DO. I don't believe so especially in modern times since I've observed that what people do on Monday is often completely different than on Friday so all that really happens is trying to adjust rather then having the direct inner experience of the human condition that can change what a person IS.
Does it really have to. If we become our inner turmoil through focusing on it then I agree. But conscious experience of turmoil is what allows for a person through self knowledge to provide the direction. Animals cannot do it but a human being has the potential to be more than just a conditioned animal but it requires becoming open and able to do it as well as feeling the need to be more then just part of the world. I love how Simone Weil puts it:If I focus on inner turmoil, I develop more inner turmoil. It can be no other way, because my brain will interpret my focus as my goal. If I focus on my inability or turmoil or what have you, it becomes my goal state in my brain. I am feeding it, energizing it, and maintaining it. If, however, I focus on the ideal state without judgment, that becomes my goal state, and my brain and body cooperate with me to further me toward that way of being, that consciousness.
Stunning! It is a higher conscious level of reality observing a lower. At one level of being defilement has only a relative meaning and people argue what it means. She is referring to the power of potential human consciousness to experience the nature of defilement without judgement so without being sucked into it."Purity is the power to contemplate defilement."