I went to check out a new shul on Friday night and while the traditional egal service was happening in the sanctuary, there was a partnership minyan in the vestry (Partnership minyan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.) I'd never heard of one and read a little into it. It seems like an interesting concept and I thought it would be a good jumping-off point for discussion.
Partnership Minyanim
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It sounds like there was a lot going on there at once 
The wiki article desribes substantial participation by women in the service. That makes sense to me.
Can you please explain the diffence between the partnership and the egalitarian service that you refer to in the sanctuary ? Don't women participate equally in the egalitarian service ?
The wiki article desribes substantial participation by women in the service. That makes sense to me.
Can you please explain the diffence between the partnership and the egalitarian service that you refer to in the sanctuary ? Don't women participate equally in the egalitarian service ?
It is a busy shul. Saturday mornings they have both an egal minyan and a mechitza minyan, then everyone comes together for a sit-down kiddush. I haven't been on a Sat morning there yet. Was considering it this past Shabbos but needed to sleep in.
The traditional egal is most similar to a conservative minyan (full participation of women) whereas the partnership minyan goes to great lengths to stay within while it stretches the bounds of Orthodox halachah. That's why they often accept the chumra that there have to be both 10 men and 10 women and why women are allowed to participate in specific ways e.g. leading kabbalat shabbat, pesukei d'zimra, having the third aliyah, but not in others. The partnership minyan does not have egal seating. It has a mechitza. When I get back from my residency, I'll see when it's meeting again (it only meets once or twice a month) and maybe stop in to get a better idea of how specifically this partnership minyan operates.
The traditional egal is most similar to a conservative minyan (full participation of women) whereas the partnership minyan goes to great lengths to stay within while it stretches the bounds of Orthodox halachah. That's why they often accept the chumra that there have to be both 10 men and 10 women and why women are allowed to participate in specific ways e.g. leading kabbalat shabbat, pesukei d'zimra, having the third aliyah, but not in others. The partnership minyan does not have egal seating. It has a mechitza. When I get back from my residency, I'll see when it's meeting again (it only meets once or twice a month) and maybe stop in to get a better idea of how specifically this partnership minyan operates.
Dauer, this sound like a very interesting transdenominational approach. I would like to learn more about this. Is there any information on the internet available about this synogogue ?
Thanks.
Thanks.
Thanks, yes that really looks like transdenom. What a nice way for people to interact with others of more or less degree of observance. It is almost like interfaith, but within a faith
bananabrain
awkward squadnik
Sometimes I think intrafaith dialogue is more complex than interfaith
that's for damsure.
b'shalom
bananabrain
By all means, please connect the dots...
Is that because the skeptics relate better to the other skeptics....
and the fundamentalists relate better to the fundamentalists
Is that because the skeptics relate better to the other skeptics....
and the fundamentalists relate better to the fundamentalists
Essentially. I find the way he lays it all out problematic, but the useful bit is seeing the way people interact within different paradigms of thought and how two people from different religions can, if they're working within the same paradigm, relate better to each other than with co-religionists operating within a different paradigm.
bananabrain
awkward squadnik
that's interesting, i suppose i'd agree with that, intrafaith dialogue being one of the harder things to do. unfortunately, the hierarchy implicit in AQAL does rather presuppose that the more "progressive" are right.
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bananabrain
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bananabrain
That's one of the problematic aspects I find too. It tries to say that all of the levels are important, but it's still asserting a progression. It seems like the progression is initially assumed and then read into multiple disciplines.