Simone Weil is Banned !!

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Shock horror..... I hear the ghost of Simone Weil is banned!!

Who will kick when we are in a foul mood now?
 
Oh, I'm sure he will be back, probably just taking a little sabbatical... maybe attending that twelve step group known as on and on and on anon...
 
Look, it's this kind of sh** that pisses me off. You should all read Simone Weil, it would blow your mind open. And quit kicking Nick.

Chris
 
China Cat Sunflower said:
Look, it's this kind of sh** that pisses me off. You should all read Simone Weil, it would blow your mind open. And quit kicking Nick.

Chris
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Wee's me off too. Nick was often contentious, the child sex stuff means that few would rally to his corner. And from what I read entirely due to Nick I agree that Simone Weil was a remarkable individual.
I did not agree with Nick a lot of the time and it seems few did and that appears to me to be the real cause of his banning. It seems increasingly if you are not saying nice pretty things in agreement with the majority you risk being banned. That does not make for healthy debate.
 
I think Nick got really frustrated with trying to inject Simone Weil's lingo into circulation, and I'll admit it was difficult if not sometimes impossible for me to grasp. Simone Weil is no longer with us, however Nikolai may be back. It seems to me he's engineered his own banning for such a time as this, probably so he can take a break. I think about leaving the forum too, because its addictive and takes time. Sometimes just leaving isn't artistic enough, and maybe Nick needed a bang.
 
I have not read Simone Weil and have no idea about the quality of her character.

My comment was in regards to Nick's palpable obsession over her.
 
Tao_Equus said:
Wee's me off too. Nick was often contentious, the child sex stuff means that few would rally to his corner. And from what I read entirely due to Nick I agree that Simone Weil was a remarkable individual.
I did not agree with Nick a lot of the time and it seems few did and that appears to me to be the real cause of his banning. It seems increasingly if you are not saying nice pretty things in agreement with the majority you risk being banned. That does not make for healthy debate.
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Tao, I have a question for you. What is the equivalent of atheist thought when it comes to philosophy ? Contrarianism, unaligned, other ? It seems like there must be a philosophic approach that rejects the conventional wisdom and looks for alternatives. Anarchy, anti-dis-establishmentarianism (that is a fun word), didn't Ayn Rand call it "Objectivism", existentialism ? :)
 
I actually had some great conversations about the intricacies of Nick's ideas and Simone Weil, mostly via PM. Yes, he seems obsessed about SW, but from what I gather it's kind of like the people who quote Jesus or the Buddha all the time. SW is his primary teacher/guiding light. Weil's ideas are actually very challenging and interesting. I don't agree with all of them, or with all of what Nick has to say, but we managed to have some good conversations. I did steer clear of the everlasting Obama thing, though.
 
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Yes, he seems obsessed about SW, but from what I gather it's kind of like the people who quote Jesus or the Buddha all the time. SW is his primary teacher/guiding light.
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Just another reason I exhort people to be their own guiding light, to find enlightenment or God through direct personal experience instead of clinging slavishly to the experience or thought of someone else.

Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today.
Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime. — Author unknown*





*Who knows? Maybe it was Simone Weil ;)
 
Tao_Equus said:
It seems increasingly if you are not saying nice pretty things in agreement with the majority you risk being banned. That does not make for healthy debate.
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Not at all - but when someone is reduced to repeatedly denigrating the site and its members as unworthy of their attention, the poster needs to spend time away from the site.

If you invite people around for tea, and someone keeps pissing on your furniture, eventually you make sure they leave.
 
Hello all.

Well they say life is a learning experience. I had to adopt an alias to make a few PMs and now to offer a bit of clarification.

First of all after Simone Weil died and she became discovered, the temptation was there to make her into an idol. Her brother Andre said that so much of her life was based upon exposing idolatry for what it is , it would be disrespectful to her to make her into an idol. Concentrate on her ideas. That is what I do. I've never discussed my path nor the one man I believe she could have inwardly profited from. There is no obsession with Simone. Yet I do have a strong interest in the ideas that moved her as well as the greats on my own path.

I never referred to her through obsession or personal gain but rather through believing them of unique importance and not connected to any popular movements but rather to transcendent Interfaith which contains the essence of perennial traditions. By referring to her, one is restricted to cursing her out rather then a school of thought which is not understood. Also, young women now have a female philosopher that understood the transcendent as do those like Kierkegaard. This was unheard of in the past. I am happy that my efforts have made for several A's on school papers for young women having a woman's ideas to consider that go beyond secularism, abortion, and gender rights but actually touch the human questions that have concerned our species from the beginning.

Ridicule all you like but when someone says thank you to me for introducing them to someone that stirs them on the inside, it means far more to me then any of your ridicule.

Tao wrote:

It seems increasingly if you are not saying nice pretty things in agreement with the majority you risk being banned. That does not make for healthy debate.
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This is of course true and I am proof. I've been called every name in the book. I expect it. If Jesus and Socrates were right it means that it will happen the more one says anything genuine pertaining to the reality of the human condition. So such righteous indignation means I am either saying something very right or very wrong. Since I am writing the same ideas of the greats of the past, I tend to believe I'm on to something real and being reacted to as predicted.

Before exploring on the Internet, I was unaware of "Interfaith." Since then I have become very wary of secular Interfaith and find no future in it for me. I posted a thread on my distinctions between secular and transcendent Interfaith on the religion section of "Online Philosophy Club" easily found through google

Transcendent Interfaith seems to have the same objective that philosophy does which is the "love of wisdom" the origin of which transcends the secular. So I belong with "philosophy" which will include transcendent Interfaith and how it values wisdom and human potential.

Brian accuses me of denigrating the site but I've come to have direct experience with the hypocrisy of secular Interfaith. I'm not denigrating a site but rather expressing disappointment in secular Interfaith. Where Transcendent faith strives for wisdom at the expense of personal offense, secular Interfaith strives for a politically correct image supported by offense. They are mutually exclusive. I didn't know this before but do now. Consequently I don't belong with secular Interfaith. I had to find this out. No harm, no foul. It is a learning experience.

Brian insinuates that I feel people are unworthy of my attention. As usual it is the opposite. I've learned that consideration is not what one gets from offended people.

Yet on Philosophy Club, on the Ayn Rand book discussion, WS writes to me even as an atheist:

I apologize if that reply seemed rather combative. I'm pretty passionate about this topic, as I hold religion partly responsible for my childhood anxiety and guilt. Please accept my comments as logical and rational, and understand that I don't intend any insult or injury.

I also very much appreciate your open-mindedness and acceptance of my critique of the bible and chrisitianity. It really allows me to check myself, to see if my contempt/disavowance of christian dogma is valid, and also affords me the opportunity to hear a logical rebuttal of my points, instead of the usual "you just have to have faith" response that I normally get from my family and other christians I know.
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He appreciates being treated as a man rather then a part of a group that requires established modes of political correctness. It opens up lines of communiction impossible with offended people.

In philosophy, ideas can be discussed and not accepted and rejected as to whether or not they are politically correct or "offensive."

Brian wrote:

If you invite people around for tea, and someone keeps pissing on your furniture, eventually you make sure they leave.
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That is the trouble. Secular Interfaith invites people to drink tea and express wonderful thoughts. Philosophy and transcendent Interfaith has a respect for the truth of the human condition and how to deal with it. It is not all that wonderful.

Pissing on furniture refers to exposing the human condition which is poison to secular Interfaith. It is considered not just pissing but crapping on furniture as well.

Being part Armenian and related to one of the most famous Armenians ever, I've been involved with discussions and learned a great deal of the horrors pertaining to the Armenian genocide. I also am very familiar with this hypocrisy of groups like the ADA who preach one thing but do the opposite as regards recognition of the Armenian Genocide.

The people that have suffered as a result of genocide and genocide denial do not need all these wonderful thoughts followed by hypocrisy and genocide denial. Secular Interfaith serves "image" I'm not interested in those serving image and doing the opposite but those with the courage and character to stand together against genocide and genocide denial regardless of politics.

If people get offended it doesn't matter. I'm looking for those with the character and courage to rise above personal offense in favor of standing up against this human perversion regardless of political considerations so dear to secular Interfaith.

So the bottom line is that I have no need for secular Interfaith nor does it need me. I value wisdom as an ideal human "being" can grow closer to and admitting the human condition Secular interfaith in contrast values creating a politically correct image.

No harm, no foul. As I said, this has been a learning experience. What more could be asked for.
 
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No harm, no foul. As I said, this has been a learning experience. What more could be asked for.
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You know we love you Nick... I mean P1.

I actually think the forum is diminished without your unique perspective.

Keep on keeping on.
 
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