nativeastral
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yes and neitzche was a huge influence in his will to power and superman ideology, he too looked at the greeks rather than any theosophical writings
Nietzsche, Prophet of Nazism: The ... - Google Books
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yes and neitzche was a huge influence in his will to power and superman ideology, he too looked at the greeks rather than any theosophical writings
Nietzsche, Prophet of Nazism: The ... - Google Books
NA, it seems that Theosophy was linked to Ariosophy which was then connected to the Thule society:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_von_List
Also, from my reading, the only new ideas which could be attributed to Theosophy were related to their strange racial ideas, but if I understand your point, you are saying even these ideas were not original to Theosophy.
Oh, and I am pretty sure you are right, Nietzsche would not be nominated for any awards by the Anti-defamation League !! That could make a fun thread too !!
nativeastral
fluffy future
hi avi
yes l am saying these ideas were prevalent in other groups; looking into the Thule society it seemed as much a class thing as a race thing, populated by aristocrats worried about the state of and upsurge of the proletariat at the time so looking for scapegoats, and guess who? Particularly post WWl poverty was bad and Germany needed to recreate a strong nation so they looked to the romantic teutonic past which obviously didn't include the jews [who must has been a sizable population] since they would not have taken part in this new myth. Like what the Romans did in taking the wealth of the patricians when changing over emperors the Germans wanted their hands on the wealth of those who didn't subscribe to this new aryan vision....
'The secret of our existence is in our being “a people that dwells alone” (Numbers 23:9), every one of us, man or woman, believing in the One G–d, leading a life according to the one Torah, which is eternal and unchangeable. Our “otherness”, independence of thought and conduct are not our weakness but our strength. Only in this way can we fulfil the function imposed on us by the Creator, to be to G–d a “kingdom of priests and a holy nation”, thereby being also a segulah (G–d’s treasure) for all humanity.'
What is the Secret of Jewish Survival? - Key Jewish FAQ's
So in a situation like that the results were horribly inevitable, just as now in Israel those antithetical to the holy nation are not welcome so must be evicted...strange as both countries in their own way sought to be a light unto all nations.
yes l am saying these ideas were prevalent in other groups; looking into the Thule society it seemed as much a class thing as a race thing, populated by aristocrats worried about the state of and upsurge of the proletariat at the time so looking for scapegoats, and guess who? Particularly post WWl poverty was bad and Germany needed to recreate a strong nation so they looked to the romantic teutonic past which obviously didn't include the jews [who must has been a sizable population] since they would not have taken part in this new myth. Like what the Romans did in taking the wealth of the patricians when changing over emperors the Germans wanted their hands on the wealth of those who didn't subscribe to this new aryan vision....
'The secret of our existence is in our being “a people that dwells alone” (Numbers 23:9), every one of us, man or woman, believing in the One G–d, leading a life according to the one Torah, which is eternal and unchangeable. Our “otherness”, independence of thought and conduct are not our weakness but our strength. Only in this way can we fulfil the function imposed on us by the Creator, to be to G–d a “kingdom of priests and a holy nation”, thereby being also a segulah (G–d’s treasure) for all humanity.'
What is the Secret of Jewish Survival? - Key Jewish FAQ's
So in a situation like that the results were horribly inevitable, just as now in Israel those antithetical to the holy nation are not welcome so must be evicted...strange as both countries in their own way sought to be a light unto all nations.
NA, I think I may have accepted your earlier assumptions about Nietzsche more readily than I should have. I reviewed the SEP and wiki entries and one of the quotes I found is:
And my reading of the SEP for Nietzsche did not indicate anything which was anti-semitic and only a passing comment about Nazism.
In the link that you provided, Taha certainly looks highly critical of Nietzsche, why do you believe it is reliable ?
It has been a long time since I read Nietzsche's work, it might be interesting to go back and take a look.
nativeastral
fluffy future
My point was that Hitler cherry picked as necessary from various sources [including judeo-christian teleological beliefs] to formulate his own agenda with an obvious and essential need to have the current German hob nobs on his side, who obviously wanted to regain/accumulate as much as possible [power and money and land] since they were on their knees post WWl.
Hi NA, I understood your point and agree with part of it.
The part I view differently relates to Nietzsche and Madame Blatavsky. I believe that Nietzsche towers over the Madame like a 60 ft. human over a grasshopper
. Also, an evil guy like Hitler grasped to find connections to Nietzsche's philosophy because Nietzsche was such an all star while he could relate as a colleague to the Madame's mediocre approach to religious philosophy. A very different connection.
Anyway, I am interested in delving further into the ideas of Nietzsche:
And somehow I am not surprised that he looked for insight to the Greeks rather than Theosophy !!
nativeastral
fluffy future
came across this old bbc documentary which explains that nietzche's sister had later edited his work to promote the nazi ideal.
YouTube - Human, All Too Human (BBC) - Friedrich Nietzsche: Part 1
YouTube - Human, All Too Human (BBC) - Friedrich Nietzsche: Part 1
Bruce Michael
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Hi Avi,
Note the date- 1933- racism is a new word and a new concept that didn't exist in the nineteenth century. The racial superiority idea comes from India, where even today they still have remnants of the caste system. Of course the way out was through reincarnation.
I have never read any theosophical author that promotes war, murder, selfishness, greed, torture or any of those things. Hitler didn't get those ideas there. In fact to be a theosophist you have to subscribe to the aims:
1. To form a nucleus of the Universal Brotherhood of Humanity, without distinction of race, creed, sex, caste or colour.
In fact the Theosophical Society was going to be called the Universal Brotherhood.
Racism existed much before the nineteenth century. There was no racism in South America when the Spanish invaded ? No racism when the Europeans spread out through North America ?
I believe racism has been all over the world. I do not think it is fair to blame India for this.
Thank you for at least trying to deal with my concerns, Bruce, lets continue to look at the earlier threads and see where the discuss led us.
Bruce Michael
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I'm saying the concept didn't exist then, the word didn't exist - after all there was still slavery.
And of course it (racism) was all over the world- Blavatsky challenged it in India (where it still exists today).
Racism studies are a 20th century phenomenon.
And really, these concerns didn't kick off in a big way till the 60s and 70s.