Knights of Liberty

[Gatekeeper]

Some friends and I are starting a new group on Facebook devoted to making change in the world we live in. We are dreaming big, yet our beginnings are humble. We are looking for individuals of varying faiths to be a part of this movement. We need dedicated leaders and regular members who are willing to take action so we might help heal our dying world.

Despite our differences in belief, and our differences in background, we are essentially one body. Our every action effects those we share our world with (Good or bad). Lets put away our differences for the greater good, and let us stand together upon the very seed of life, which is most assuredly love.

To love one another isn't just a call to love others in heart, but it is a call to take action as well. We have been sent out in this world as “sheep among wolves“, but that doesn't mean that we are to be victims. Our calling in life is one of perseverance. It is my belief that we exist on this earth for the sole purpose of making it a better place for all people.

The group is designed to help us organize and unify our efforts for this very goal. By working together, we can help those who need it most and by doing so, we will ultimately help to change our world (One person at a time).

Our group leaders and members alike will discuss various methods and strategies to help us reach those who are desperately hurting in heart. We will then attempt to organize our efforts and reach out (As one body) to those in need.

(We CAN and WILL make a difference and change the world we live in, if we take action).

This group will attempt to unite our (interfaith) efforts under the common bond of love. There is great strength in diversity, so let us each unite for this one common goal ... To help decrease the evils in the world by increasing love in the hearts of those we are able to reach, even in those whom we might consider enemies.

Abraham Lincoln once said, "Have I not destroyed my enemy when I make a friend of them?" That too was Jesus’ method. He befriended those who needed Him most, and then He gently lead them to liberty through His unwavering love for them.

(It is time that we do the same and reach out to our dying world)


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Knights of Liberty (Requirements)

To become a member of “Knights of Liberty” you must have a genuine care and concern for the well being of others and the world we live in. You must be bold and courageous enough to go into the world, reaching out to the wounded in heart. You must be willing to help those (At your own capacity) whom need help the most, despite their personal character (Even those who might hate you).

Knights of Liberty (Code of Honor)

# To live one's life so that it is worthy of respect and honor.
# To live for freedom, justice and all that is good.
# To protect the innocent.
# To exhibit self control.
# To show respect to authority.
# To exhibit Courage in word and deed.
# To defend the weak and innocent.
# To combat evil in all of its monstrous forms.
# To fight with honor.
# To never abandon a friend, ally, or noble cause.
# To always keep one's word of honor.
# To always maintain one's principles.
# To never betray a confidence or comrade.
# To avoid deception.
# To respect life and freedom.
# To show loyalty to one's friends and those who lay their trust in you.

This is a brand new group, and is still in the making. Any and all help getting this group off its feet will be greatly appreciated. As I suggested, we are in desperate need for group leaders. We are attempting to create a council that will run the operations of the group and our collective efforts. If you are interested in joining, or becoming a leader (Member of the council) please leave me a private message and I'll fill you in on how to access the group and we'll take it from there.

I hope the management here doesn't mind me placing such a topic in this forum. I think it important to do all we can to help create a better world for our children and all those who will come after. It is not only our duty, but it should also be our honor to reach out to others in attempt to help them anyway we can. Sometimes just showing a genuine concern for others and lending them ongoing encouragement and support is enough to help them overcome their obstacles.

Thanks,

GK

 

[wil]

Never done anything with facebook, guess I'm just a relic, but wish you the best.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Thanks, wil ... I'd love to count you among the ranks, tho. It is a hefty goal, but we can make a difference one person at a time, surely. It takes action, love, and compassion brother. So long as we leave it up to others, little will ever change - It starts at home with the man in the mirror.

James

 

[DrumR]

Thanks, wil ... I'd love to count you among the ranks, tho. It is a hefty goal, but we can make a difference one person at a time, surely. It takes action, love, and compassion brother. So long as we leave it up to others, little will ever change - It starts at home with the man in the mirror.

James

An impressive listing of the contents in a large can of worms. I can see the potential of much room for improvement within that listing as a first step. But then again, this is not facebook.

 

[Avi]

# To show respect to authority.

For example this one can use some improvement, many of the great advances of mankind have come about from challenging authority.

What if you live in Libya and your authority is Qaddafi ?

What if you live in Iran and your authority is Ahmadinejad ?

Respect authority ? Better yet, question authority !

 

[DrumR]

For example this one can use some improvement, many of the great advances of mankind have come about from challenging authority.

What if you live in Libya and your authority is Qaddafi ?

What if you live in Iran and your authority is Ahmadinejad ?

Respect authority ? Better yet, question authority !

I would further refine, as to the later,
"Question first from whence cometh the authority"

 

[Gatekeeper]

Very good points ... To be revised ... Any other suggestions? The group is not yet open, so I can certainly make a few changes .

Thanks,

 

[Dream]

Your code is too stringent for me. I admire but I just could not meet your standards; and I think you'll have either a small group, a group of liars, or a group of people under age 20. Its very overwhelming requirements!

 

[Avi]

I think you'll have either a small group, a group of liars, or a group of people under age 20.

Gatekeeper, are you a high school student ? It seems like most of your members are in high school. Also, I noticed a different coat of arms on the facebook site. Can you explain that one and why they are different ?

Grrufff, thanks.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Actually no, I'm not a high school student - Just an idealist. Umm, you must have the wrong listing, Avi ... My face book friends are in their late thirties plus, lol. What site did you go to? Is there another Knights of Liberty on face book? It shouldn't be listed at all on face book. I'm confused.

Thanks,

Edit: Never mind .. I just looked it up. It's called "The Knights of Liberty club". Ya it appears that these kids have a similar organization (Good for them). It must a club in their high school, or something. I'm gonna go look around.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Your code is too stringent for me. I admire but I just could not meet your standards; and I think you'll have either a small group, a group of liars, or a group of people under age 20. Its very overwhelming requirements!

To have a genuine care and concern for all those we share our world with is too stringent? I'm not looking for a large quantity of members, but rather a focused quality of character ... those who will be dedicated to the cause, and live it in their daily lives. Liars can still be useful if they apply themselves to change, and it doesn't matter the age.

Wait, are you talking about the "code of honor" list? If that is the case, then we are in process of revising.

Thanks,

 

[Avi]

# To never abandon a friend, ally, or noble cause.

Gatekeeper, not to tell you how to run your business, but this one does not make sense to me either.

"Never abandon a ally" ? What if the ally turns in to a megalomanic ? Will you just continue to ally yourself with a nut job ? Don't you sometimes have to walk away ?

Not sure what to replace this one with, maybe just hit the delete button .

 

[Avi]

# To never betray a confidence or comrade.

As long as we are chatting, Gatekeeper, I do not like this rule either. What if your comrade does something very wrong ? Don't you have an ethical and moral obligation to turn them in ? I think so.

I think I am seeing a trend here. You seem to be somewhat confounded about loyalty issues.

Are you a leader or follower, Gatekeeper ? A leader does not just follow his friends. He leads, and sometimes that means walking his own path. Do you do that ?

 

[Gatekeeper]

I see your points but loyalty is extremely important. It's something I, as well as the others desire to see in someones character. In other words - It is a necessary characteristic.

Now, IF one of our members does something severe and/or harmful to someone (without cause) I'd say they betrayed the very foundation of what we are standing for, just as they would have betrayed us as a collective group. In which case they would be dismissed [from] the group. I guess I should make that much clear in the code of honor.

This is exactly why we are in need of a council. We need to be able to hash out the details as a group. I appreciate the help Avi, but really ... who would want someone who views loyalty to be unfavorable as a member? I don't, nor do those who are already a part of this.

If the whole loyalty aspect of our "code" is enough to prevent someone from joining, then so be it. We are looking for certain types of members - loyalty is a must when it comes to character. Of course there are conditions (As stated above) that would not be acceptable or favorable for the group as a whole, in which case the member in question would be dismissed from the group.

We still have lots to hash out, and lots to do before we open the group itself. I'm just looking a few people who might be willing to participate in getting this thing set up right ... before we actually get started.

GK

 

[Gatekeeper]

Gatekeeper, not to tell you how to run your business, but this one does not make sense to me either.

"Never abandon a ally" ? What if the ally turns in to a megalomanic ? Will you just continue to ally yourself with a nut job ? Don't you sometimes have to walk away ?

Not sure what to replace this one with, maybe just hit the delete button .

Listen, if we are doing volunteer work in a questionable neighborhood, and something 'bad' happens, we're not gonna abandon those helping us, leaving them there to fend for themselves. Not that it will ever happen, but it could ...

We are organizing our efforts to make change in the lives of others, Avi. It will start very small in the beginning (One person at a time), but we are hoping to take this to a much larger scale in the future. We simply need men and woman willing to go out into their communities, and do what they can to help those who need help. Even if all you can offer is ongoing encouragement, and friendship.

GK

 

[iBrian]

Why not do it here, Gatekeeper? I'd be happy to provide support here so long as it looks like doing good. I've long thought of doing something similar at some point, so it'll be interesting to see how matters pan out here.

 

[DrumR]

Very good points ... To be revised ... Any other suggestions? The group is not yet open, so I can certainly make a few changes .

Thanks,

Greets Gatekeeper.
It would be interesting to keep a log of the original listing versus those that have been revised along with some illustrative commentary, by way of explanation, of the principals themselves.

Additionally, while you have addressed the importance of loyalty might I also suggest that fidelity to a well delineated concept as a most important characteristic versus blind loyalty? To those current and former members of the armed Defence Forces of a civil nation, it is the following of "Lawful Orders" that is seen as the higher moral stance than is one of mere "blind obedience."

One might also see somewhat of a connection with the above "loyalty and fidelity" concepts and the previous suggestions concerning authority and its source/validity.

 

[DrumR]

Greets Gatekeeper.
It would be interesting to keep a log of the original listing versus those that have been revised along with some illustrative commentary, by way of explanation, of the principals themselves.

Greets Gatekeeper.
It had just occured to me, just after the preceding post, that a sub-set of criteria which is listed within your set of "Requirements" has a familiar "ring" to it. If one would take a look at the Norse/Asatru set of 9 Noble Virtues, or whatever their proper name for it might be, a similar template, including a description as was suggested in my previous post, might possibly be found.

Also, it had crossed my mind, that there appears to exist sub-sets, or groups of
related concepts, scattered about within the original listing of requirements. Perhaps a re ordering of that listing, in accord with conceptual groupings, might provide some insight for the improvement of the whole lot.

But, then again, such an effort might be seen as anti-chaotic and may do harm to my reputation.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Why not do it here, Gatekeeper? I'd be happy to provide support here so long as it looks like doing good. I've long thought of doing something similar at some point, so it'll be interesting to see how matters pan out here.

Very cool, Brian ... What do you have in mind exactly. I appreciate your support!! I still want to start a group on face book, but I will link (With your permission) this forum from that group once we get some details worked out. I think we could do more good from here than there actually.

Thanks again,

James

 

[Gatekeeper]

Greets Gatekeeper.
It had just occured to me, just after the preceding post, that a sub-set of criteria which is listed within your set of "Requirements" has a familiar "ring" to it. If one would take a look at the Norse/Asatru set of 9 Noble Virtues, or whatever their proper name for it might be, a similar template, including a description as was suggested in my previous post, might possibly be found.

Also, it had crossed my mind, that there appears to exist sub-sets, or groups of
related concepts, scattered about within the original listing of requirements. Perhaps a re ordering of that listing, in accord with conceptual groupings, might provide some insight for the improvement of the whole lot.

But, then again, such an effort might be seen as anti-chaotic and may do harm to my reputation.

Despite doing harm to your reputation, how would you re-order the list? I do think the list needs expansion, and some clarification, so what do you suggest? I mean, what are your ideas exactly. Could you perhaps show an example of how you would re-order and expand? Thanks