A possible kernel to God "imaging"

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The oldest text that is venerated by more than one faith would be the Torah or Pentateuch (comprising Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy), which is venerated by Jews, Christians and Moslems alike. So one might, for the sake of argument, subject it to the most modern scholarly analysis to ascertain even further where the earliest stratum of God "imaging" found in that text leads to. Theoretically, this could be a way of ascertaining some of the most ubiquitous and universal attributes commonly tied to God throughout human history.

There are apparently four strata of texts in the Pentateuch: the so-called J, E, P and D strands. The J strand is now judged the oldest. And there is an essential image given in a J passage of (to use a Stanislavsky term) the through-line of God's character, in Exodus, 3:7, in which God says

"I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows[.]"

This arguably shows God as the hearer of those caught in social injustice.

Now, clearly, there are a thousand and one frequently contradictory images of God throughout just the Old Testament alone, beside the numerous worshiped texts from the numerous other theistic creeds on Earth. What makes this passage so striking, though, is first of all the fact that it comes from the very earliest stratum of the very earliest text venerated by more than one creed. What is also striking is that it is so very much in keeping with the implications of what God is, as drawn from the better documented visionaries throughout history who proactively bring to their cultures, in each case, a radically new spin on who and what God is.

Taken singly, there may, of course, be problems in assessing the historical reliability of only a Buddha's sayings (the earliest ones being possibly preserved in the earliest sermons extant in the Digha-Nikaya), or only a Socrates' sayings (the earliest being possibly those found in the Plato Euthyphro, Apology and Crito), or only a Jesus's sayings (as possibly preserved in the earliest Gospel, Mark, and possibly common cribbing from an early sayings source in both Matthew and Luke), or only Confucius's sayings (the earliest possible source generally assumed to be Chapters 4 through 8 of the Analects), or only an Urukagina's sayings (possibly preserved accurately or not in old Sumerian tablets), or only a Moses' sayings, or only a Zarathustra's sayings (as possibly preserved in the Gathas of the Zend Avesta), or only a Lao-tzu's sayings (as possibly preserved in the Tao-te-Ching), or only a Mohammed's sayings (as possibly preserved in the Koran and the Sunna), or only a Bahá’u’lláh's sayings (as possibly preserved in Kitáb-i-Aqdas and Kitáb-i-Íqán), and so on. In addition, the huge contrasts and differences among these visionaries, as extant in their surviving sayings, hardly suggest a unified image of God. Moreover, there can even be frequent contradictions among the earliest preserved sayings for just one visionary picked at random here, let alone the whole group of ten!

Taken together, however, one common theme does emerge from all ten -- and that theme doesn't show any unanimous agreement on God as a creator at all, and it doesn't show any unanimous agreement on God as a dispenser of punishments and rewards at all, and it doesn't show any unanimous agreement on God as a controller of events on Earth at all, and it doesn't show any agreement on God as either a man or a woman at all, and so on and so forth. No, there is only one aspect of God all these ten seem to be agreed on: God is sympathetic with the cry of the afflicted and the oppressed. Now, that doesn't mean that all ten are at all agreed that God can do anything to help them. On that latter point, these ten are all over the map. But such a notion of a basic residue of sympathy with the oppressed does seem to uniformly carry with it the implication that any human being's own sympathy here on Earth with the afflicted and with the oppressed inevitably carries with it some commonality with God. In other words, one draws closer to God in some (mostly unspecified) way if one's own sympathies are proactively engaged with the afflicted. That may not necessarily help either the sympathizer or the afflicted or the weak or the vulnerable or the down-trodden themselves in any immediately practical way, although it possibly could, goes the possible implication in (some) sayings. Rather, at a minimum, such sympathy with the afflicted on the part of a human being can at least make that human being a closer emulator of God's "hearing" sensibility, if nothing else. This seems to be the common implication.

Is it coincidence, then, that this one thread that ties all these ten together is also present in the earliest scholarly strand of the earliest known text worshiped by the greatest number of people on Earth, "I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows"? Now that, frankly, strikes me as a bit of a coincidence that's a bit hard to ignore. Consider all the other assorted attributes for God that are not uniformly subscribed to by all ten of these visionaries: total control of everything that happens, the beginner of all that is, ultimate responsibility for all rewards and punishments, a man of wrath and absolute power, and the rest of it. What do these occasional but hardly unanimous concepts have in common? Simple: they parallel the attributes of the absolute monarchs of numerous cultures and eras on Earth. That's all -- and therefore maybe too coincidental by half.

However, does the notion that God is first and foremost a hearer of the afflicted or the weak or the vulnerable or the down-trodden parallel any traditional attributes for most of the absolute monarchs throughout time? Such a notion is laughable. Clearly it doesn't (unfortunately). Granted, some monarchical concepts may have very occasionally entailed the notion of monarchy as the last hope for the afflicted, etc. But can such an attribute be at all viewed as so overwhelmingly invariable and/or traditional as applied to monarchy -- especially ahead of things like total control, ultimate rewards and punishments, and/or a man of wrath, etc.? Hardly. The very fact that this "hearer" image is not consonant with the rest of the theistic cliches, does not carry such blatantly monarchical connotations, and yet is the most uniformly attested in the earliest textual sources for known visionaries who evince a visceral experience of God, seems hardly negligible. What is also striking is the frequent (discouraging) way in which this dominant image commonly disappears from prominence in the documentary record for even a number of these very ten figures, once one gets into the second and third textual "generations" preserving their sayings. It's as if the initial image of God as the hearer of the down and out becomes rapidly embarrassing and awkward for subsequent generations again and again. Clearly, it doesn't serve anyone's power the way the other attributes do. So it's the most fragile attribute and the first one to be jettisoned -- only to crop up again, once the earliest extant record for the next visionary to come along surfaces.

If there's any attribute of God that may have some historical and textual validity at all, it would probably be this sole image of a figure who is -- somehow, some way -- the hearer of and the sympathizer with the down-trodden, making those humans who partake of that attribute an empathizer with God, either with or without any tangible practical consequences. Perhaps, one could say that altruism is God's paint brush.

Cheers,

Operacast
 
Or it was a switch from Baal? No more sacrificing virgins to the whim of the priests, and option, a personalized G!D who listens...and heads right out and acts on your behalf...but still if you don't perform...uh-oh...

I'd better just redact now...
 
If there's any attribute of God that may have some historical and textual validity at all, it would probably be this sole image of a figure who is -- somehow, some way -- the hearer of and the sympathizer with the down-trodden, making those humans who partake of that attribute an empathizer with God, either with or without any tangible practical consequences. Perhaps, one could say that altruism is God's paint brush.

Indeed, but from a comparative view of ancient religions, it would be easy to argue that many were seeded through a single family's gods, which became taken on by the tribe - definitely the case for early Rome at least, and can see the analogy extending.

What you have then is the family structure imbued in religious worship in the ancient world, with the stern authoritative father and the caring protective mother, both of which can be appealed to on their own grounds.

Once we get to the ancient Greeks, we see these applied to represent the Bronze Age rulers of peoples who are essentially still extended family groups, with original family deity figures, but where the figures (ie, deities) are imbued with direct virtues and vices of rulership (cf, Zeus).

It wouldn't be hard to examine how this fits with Middle Eastern religions of the time, but I really don't know enough about the early beginnings to suggest whether this is a template that fits to any degree.
 
Is it coincidence, then, that this one thread that ties all these ten together is also present in the earliest scholarly strand of the earliest known text worshiped by the greatest number of people on Earth, "I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows"? Now that, frankly, strikes me as a bit of a coincidence that's a bit hard to ignore.

Thanks, Operacast! This is a really good post. Your thesis is consistent with my speculations in connection with The Hebrew Goddess by Raoul Patai, which I am now reading. It's an idea that is still fluid and hasn't completely formed yet, so I won't say anything more about it now. But it will be interesting to see how this topic develops.

--Linda
 
At a certain level of civic sophistication it makes sense to have a god who is concerned with the plight of the peasants. It helps placate the poor with the thought that there is at least someone or some thing that cares about them, and allows the ruler to seem god-like through symbolic and occasional acts of magnanimity. This is a whole lot cheaper than actually providing for the overall welfare of the citizenry.

Chris
 
At a certain level of civic sophistication it makes sense to have a god who is concerned with the plight of the peasants. It helps placate the poor with the thought that there is at least someone or some thing that cares about them, and allows the ruler to seem god-like through symbolic and occasional acts of magnanimity. This is a whole lot cheaper than actually providing for the overall welfare of the citizenry.

Chris

Repeatedly, though, it becomes something more than that in formulation after formulation: Invariably, hand in hand with this "imaging" of God goes the inevitable mandate that others should indeed "provide for the overall welfare of the citizenry". Benign neglect is not what is advocated in these formulations at all. Rather, closeness to God is advocated above all and precisely through a clear moral imperative that each of us should help all others in need. Candidly, that's very, very different from some abstract pacifier centered only around a mere distant image of some distant figure whose only function is to tsk, tsk, tsk from afar. That's not what these visionaries are saying at all. They target each of us very directly, virtually implying that we are God's loving hands on Earth. They may not always say directly that if we fail then God fails or if God fails it's because we fail. But a number do say something pretty close to that, while all the others seem at least to imply that.

Of course, there are some formulations out there that do imply that this "hearing" God constitutes the totality of this equation, an equation indeed abstract and distant in its beginning, its middle and its end. But such formulations are not uniformly subscribed to, while the formulation that entails proactive reciprocity among all humans for all humans, among all humans for God, and with God for all humans is uniformly invoked in the earliest textual traditions for all these visionaries. It's what is most uniformly invoked among all these earliest texts that I am addressing, not the subsequent distortionists that push authoritarian and neglectful cultural habits to the exclusion of all else.

Please note I am stressing the concept of the earliest kernel in the OP.

Sincerely,

Operacast
 
Again, I think this is man's paintbrush. We'd like to be thought of as someone who helped the downtrodden, didn't ignore the afflicted, an overall good person. The old what would you want written on your tombstone, or what would you want said at your eulogy. I think it is just yet another anthropormophizing of what our 'higher self' should look like.
 
A very interesting thread. It's quite striking how attempts to create egalitarian societies are always crushed from within or without. The Anabaptists in Munster, the fledgling Soviet Union, (to leap through history!) those who want a truly equal society are a tiny minority and easily crushed.

Humanity is a repetitive tragedy that continually finds excuses to indulge itself in atrocities. Is a horrified God looking down upon his creation and wondering, 'where did it all go wrong?' Possibly, though contrast and contradiction seem to permeate our existence and if we want 'good' it seems we also have to have 'bad' - so maybe there's no way out.
 
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Again, I think this is man's paintbrush. We'd like to be thought of as someone who helped the downtrodden, didn't ignore the afflicted, an overall good person. The old what would you want written on your tombstone, or what would you want said at your eulogy. I think it is just yet another anthropormophizing of what our 'higher self' should look like.

Which leaves us with two overriding questions (in my view): How come it is the single attribute/mandate most uniformly ascribed to God and mandated of humanity and yet the most frequently dropped like a hot potato in "second"/"third-generation" texts for creed after creed? And how come such a preoccupation reflects least of all the most traditional attributes of the absolute monarch?

Sincerely,

Operacast
 
Which leaves us with two overriding questions (in my view): How come it is the single attribute/mandate most uniformly ascribed to God and mandated of humanity and yet the most frequently dropped like a hot potato in "second"/"third-generation" texts for creed after creed? And how come such a preoccupation reflects least of all the most traditional attributes of the absolute monarch?

I think more significantly it's the most ferociously opposed human project in history. Human beings have brutally opposed equality or even basic kindness as the underpinning of society.
 
Thanks, Operacast! This is a really good post. Your thesis is consistent with my speculations in connection with The Hebrew Goddess by Raoul Patai, which I am now reading. It's an idea that is still fluid and hasn't completely formed yet, so I won't say anything more about it now. But it will be interesting to see how this topic develops.

--Linda

You'll be pleased to know that written even earlier than the Law, and the very first 1st person account discovered was by a priestess of the goddess Innana
En-hedu-ana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Electronic Text Corpus of Sumerian Literature
 
I think more significantly it's the most ferociously opposed human project in history. Human beings have brutally opposed equality or even basic kindness as the underpinning of society.

A clarification: SOME human beings, inevitably a minority, have brutally opposed equality or even basic kindness as the underpinning of society. Unfortunately, they are the psychopaths and/or the very powerful ones with a vested interest in a hierarchical society with themselves at the top. Even more unfortunately, they have the power not only to impose their will, but to shape religion in such a way that it convinces the masses that their will, the will of the overlords, is "God's will."

Only a relatively few societies have managed to escape the authoritarian trap, but they are usually what we consider "primitive" non-technological societies. In the moral sense, of course, it's us big badass technological Westerners who are the primitives!

--Linda
 
Which leaves us with two overriding questions (in my view): How come it is the single attribute/mandate most uniformly ascribed to God and mandated of humanity and yet the most frequently dropped like a hot potato in "second"/"third-generation" texts for creed after creed? And how come such a preoccupation reflects least of all the most traditional attributes of the absolute monarch?

Sincerely,

Operacast
Is it because all of the religions in the end transfer that charitable notion back as a requirement to the human element?

I guess my issue with this kind of discussion is I don't see G!D as being but as spirit and principle.
 
A clarification: SOME human beings, inevitably a minority, have brutally opposed equality or even basic kindness as the underpinning of society. Unfortunately, they are the psychopaths and/or the very powerful ones with a vested interest in a hierarchical society with themselves at the top. Even more unfortunately, they have the power not only to impose their will, but to shape religion in such a way that it convinces the masses that their will, the will of the overlords, is "God's will."

Only a relatively few societies have managed to escape the authoritarian trap, but they are usually what we consider "primitive" non-technological societies. In the moral sense, of course, it's us big badass technological Westerners who are the primitives!
--Linda

Yes, but the majority rarely resists the desires of the rulers and usually supports or acquiesces - indifference is the norm and the reason why the majority are so easily dominated.
 
You'll be pleased to know that written even earlier than the Law, and the very first 1st person account discovered was by a priestess of the goddess Innana
En-hedu-ana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Electronic Text Corpus of Sumerian Literature

Nativeastral,

My speculations actually had more to do with the Exodus story than with the central theme of The Hebrew Goddess per se. It was an association I made while I was reading it, but unfortunately I don't have time to get into that now.

But I very much appreciate your posting those links about En-hedu-ana, who I had never heard of before I looked at them. And you're right--I am VERY pleased (delighted, in fact) to know that the first poet we know by name was a woman, and that she was also a princess and a high priestess on top of that.

Lately I've been thinking that if we have a de facto high priest in Judaism today, it could not be anyone else but Leonard Cohen, who is both poet and priest. It's very revealing that we have to go back almost 5000 years to unearth his female counterpart. I can think of a few contemporary possibilities, but they don't belong to a hereditary priesthood. Apparently En-hedu-ana did, since her mother was also a high priestess.

I saved the hymn "The Exaltation of Inana" from your second link. I'd like to try breaking it up into lines and stanzas to make it "read" more like a contemporary poem.

In any case, En-hedu-ana is a very empowering image and role model of what a powerful woman looked like at one time (before patriarchy), and could look like again in the not-too-distant future.

Blessed Be,
Linda
 
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