@ Administration: A PM I just recieved from Tao_Equus

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If I knew this dude personally, I would be at his door right now.
But since I do not, and I received this message through your forum,
I can only expect you to take this in your own hands and deal with
it accordingly.


Tao_Equus said:
There is an old racist joke which ordinarilly I would not dream of posting but applies so well to you that I cannot resist telling you it.

What is clear and lays in the gutter?

A paki with the **** kicked out of him.
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c0de said:
If I knew this dude personally, I would be at his door right now.
But since I do not, and I received this message through your forum,
I can only expect you to take this in your own hands and deal with
it accordingly.
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(Interesting leadership and ethical dilemma for Brian, lets watch and see what he does. If Tao had posted this racist joke himself a penalty would clearly be called for. However since he sent it to C0de, who posted it, the response is a bit cloudy. Here are the options for Brian:

1) Ignore the whole incident, make believe it did not happen, this would be a leadership disaster,

2) Give Tao a light slap on the wrist, criticize his poor taste publically, but do nothing, this is a possiblity, but Brian seems to be enjoying infarctions again these days,

3) Infarct Tao, 1 penalty point :D,

4) Infarct C0de, no tattletales allowed :D,

5) Infarct both Tao and C0de, that is my favorite :D

6) Any other possiblities ??

See all my studing of leadership is starting to pay off :D)
 
Racism on the site is completely unacceptable, as is making threatening and abusive PM's to other members.

I've confirmed that Tao did send the PM, and therefore suspended him from IO until further notice.
 
Would he misspell 'ordinarily' Doesn't seem like Tao to make a typo. Not that I am calling C0de a liar... But Brian, you say you have confirmed he sent a PM and that confirmation, makes it known he actually said that?

Racist perhaps.... But I don't see it as a threat ;/

Thanks for the joke though c0de lol gotta share that with my chums! (kidding...)
 
Yep, shows up in the forum database as being text Tao sent to c0de in a PM.
 
Avi said:
If Tao had posted this racist joke himself a penalty would clearly be called for. However since he sent it to C0de, who posted it, the response is a bit cloudy.
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i think not. particularly in terms of his racist jibe at me on the palestinian peace plan thread, i would think you should know rather better than to be so equivocal.

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
I think the point is, at the end of the day, there has to be zero tolerance towards racism on the forum. It's not come up as an issue before, but now that it has, it has to be made clear it is completely unacceptable.
 
In Scotland it is a derogatory blanket term for Indians, whether Hindu or Muslim. C0de was right to bring it up and Tao was a knob to stoop.
 
What is clear and lays in the gutter?
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But what does "clear" have to do with it? Or is that a substituted word hiding something else?

That "joke" makes no sense to me. (As if a racist joke could ever make sense.)
 
Actually, there is a much more serious issue here, which needs to be discussed.

Tao did not post his joke, which I agree is racist, on the forum. He sent it, in what he probably believed was in confidence, to C0de. That was clearly poor judgement, but is that a bannable act ?

Have you ever said anything that you regret to someone in private ? Have you ever thought anything that is a wrong thought, just inside your own head ? Should you be banned for doing those things ?

Also, in his PM Tao said he would not "dream of posting", that means he knew it was against the Code of Conduct to post such a racist joke. Although clearly reprehensible, is it against the Code of Conduct to send racist PM's ?
 
well, maybe its moot whether its a racist term, we call chinese chinkies [as in the carry out]; if someone sent me a 'joke' like that l'd feel threatened and insulted, and via an interfaith forum:confused:
 
I think another important point is that even when we have had people posting what I consider to be racist ideas right here on the board, I have never suggested banning them for it.

Indeed, there is a poster on the board who I believe posts ideas of a racist nature, and I do not propose banning him.

So why would you ban someone who sends racist jokes to another poster by PM ?

I think this makes Tao's argument that he is not racist weaker, but it does not seem worthy of banning.

By the way, what would the American Civil Liberties Union say about this ?? I think they would infarct Tao, but not ban him !!

And what about "due process" ? What if Tao would like to defend himself ? He cannot do that since he is banned.

Perhaps his defense is temporary insanity (or maybe he was drunk) :).
 
Was this a message out of the blue? Or have Tao and c0de been involved in some kind of PM back and forth?

In the end it really doesn't matter. There are many, many ways to skewer someone that don't involve racist remarks.

I believe a suspension (it's not a ban) is an appropriate punishment.
 
One more important point here.

I think in addition to giving Tao an infarction (not suspension), C0de should be given an infarction as well :eek:.

He published a private communication with Tao on the forum, without Tao's permission.

In proper publishing citation etiquette for an author of an idea which is not your own, you are required to do two things:

1) Cite the individual who original stated the idea - C0de did this,

and

2) in more rigorous cases, you must get permission from the original author as well. Since the suspension of a member is a very serious act, I think we should use this criteria. C0de did not do this and as I said in post #2 he should be infarcted as well (he is being a little tattle tale as well :p).

Also, why did C0de not send this as a PM to Brian ? Why did he post it as a forum posting ? What were his motivations here ? Was he trying to embarrass Tao because of some history between the two ? Was there a personel vendetta going on here ? I think there are some serious questions which need to be considered more deeply. :)
 
Avi said:
C0de should be given an infarction as well :eek:.
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If there is a TOS against posting PMs then perhaps I would agree.

c0de could have kept this between himself, I,Brian and Tao.

But, I wouldn't call for anybody's head here.
 
@ Chris, loyalist!

@ Avi, on the ball with the business ethics!

@ CZ, after slagging Tao off l began to think that too, that it could have been the culmination of a series of private ad homs..boyz will be boyz n all that..then l thought maybe he wanted a break from here and knew what the consequences were, go off with a plumb so to speak
 
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