Denominations question...

[dan b]

Hello Bible studyer,
You have asked me a question that I also didn't understand. Oh, but I thank you brother! You must be adept in this study! For this point "the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus" was unknown to me also before today. But since your directed enquirery It appears that the Father has been kind!
I looked at the three mentions of the "white robed martyrs" in Revelations. In Rev.6;9 when the 5th seal is opened "I saw the souls of them that were slain for the word of God." (the 5th seal represents the 5 millennium when Christianity first began) And they cried "how long until you judge and avenge us?" And they had white robes and were told to rest for a season until some other people could be martyrs and suffer also for Christ.
Then in Rev.7 , directly after the naming of the 12 sealed tribes for the millennium(re-generation), a crowd of white robed ones were spotted standing nearby. "And what are these" one of the elders asks. "Sir...these are they who came out of great tribulation and made their robes white with suffering for Jesus!"
So when the 1000 year millennium arrives after the year 2000AD it is no surprise to find them again mentioned. These "souls" are saaid to be here with us today because we are in the millennium! Where exactly are they? That is for God to know but it does say that they will be here as "souls.' Rev.20;4 So thankyou brother because together we have continued on our path towards further understanding.. At least I hope we have!?
Now this is the way that I see it. If we begin at the start of the 7th millennium at about the year 2001AD. In Rev.18 the Trade Towers are described as burning with a black smoke seen afar off. Babylon is burning! "The strength of sin is the law" Paul tells us in 1 Cor.15;56. And when the law offends it is the Beast. With legalized trade rules the 1st world has paauperized the 3d world! The Law made us a beast to them even though it was done legaly! So now in the millennial European Christian Israel we must ;have re-newed good trade policies!

Rev. 18;11 - Merchants see it burning from afar

Rev. 18;19 - In one hour she is made desolate

Rev. 19;7 - The lambs wife(Christianity) has been made ready after the 2000 years of "tijes of the gentiles".

Rev. 19;11,14 - The Word of God(Bible) on a white horse and armies of Christians behind it/him inform and destroy bad laaw and fffalse ideas.(Beastr and False Prophet)

Rev. 20.1-3 - Satan(survival of the fittest government) is cast into a pit, but with a chain so to be pulled out later.

20;4 - The 12 thrones are set up(European christian Israel -EU) and also the "souls of christian beheaded" are there. This kingdom will continue for 1000 years.

20;5 - The rest of the dead(people of all previous generations) will have to wait until 3000AD to come to life again.


20;7 - Then Satan(sssurvival of the fittest) is let out for a little while and then he is cast into the fire with bad law and false teachings.

Rev. 20;12 - The second Resurrection in 3000AD. All the dead are brought to life to be judged out of the books and by their works.


Aafter this the next chapter of Rev.21 is a description of the New Jerusalem of European Christian Israel. It is as meausured in Rev.21;16 as being as long as it is wide. This is the measurment of Europe. In Rev21;24 it says that "the nations of them that are saved shall walk in the light of it." So this is not just describing a personal individual salvation here. The Christian nations are the ones who are in the light of the New Jerusalem today! We are indeed the 1st world.(although in a lot of ways we don't seem to deserve it!) In REv.21;;;;;;8 it tells uss that u;nbelievers, bad people, and all liars ect. will have their paart in the second death. This indicated to us that they will have to wait this 7th millennium out until 3000AD.? dan b

 

[shawn]

hmmmm.....one has to cut a brit with God to become Jewish so I can see how one can consider the Brit-ish to be descendants based on that word alone, and then add to it the migration of people and the colonies established many millenia ago.
Denmark is said to be run by those descended from the tribe of Dan.

I guess the only way to get a definitive answer would be to run some DNA tests.
I have been interested somewhat in this over the years as I have British heritage and supposedly Jewish ancestors....who knows.
All this racial stuff isn't really all that important to me as the real deal is how people behave and treat each other. IMO

 

[Dream]

danb, Thank you for clarifying what you meant before. I still think you're being too confident about something that is a theory, however overconfidence is par for the course for us.

Putting that aside:
Something you said about the law being a beast.... In Romans 7 Paul associates sin with the serpent in the garden, however the law he calls the commandment not to eat the fruit. (I noticed the law is not the beast in his example.) The serpent uses the commandment for harm (Rom 7:11), however Paul notes the commandment (law) is still a good thing (Rom 7:13). Though you see the law as offending Babylon, the Biblical law is still filled with principles for living which Christians are supposed to familiarize themselves with. The word 'Law' used in the passage can actually refer to any principle or just the idea of principle.

That having been said, it shows a lot of dedication on your part to go through all of that historical information and connect the dots. I'm actually not smart enough to really get all of it. I mean, I can read it; but its quite difficult to actually sort through all the different possibilities. Also, sooner or later you'll find another of my posts where I object to assigning dates to things in Revelation, although its for other reasons. It doesn't mean I can't appreciate how interesting it can be, but it has to be something you love. Its a lot of work, and there are a lot of dead ends. I actually don't think Revelation's symbols are supposed to associate to dates for things, though you can sort of jiggle it into the timeline sometimes.

 

[dan b]

Hello again,
I had trouble booking in yesterday!? Let us forget, if we could for a moment about how I said that the beast is "the law." Just until we more fully examine the situation. Now you introduced the chapter of Romans 7. I think that that is an excelent placae to examine just what we mean when we say beast or serpent.
So if we follow along with Pau's epistle to the Romans'

Rm.7;7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid, Nay. I had not known sin but by the law; for I had not known lust, except the law had said, thou shalt not covet.
Rm.7;8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

Is the Law sin? No! says Paul. Paul would not have known that sin existed until the law came and made him aware of it. Because when he was ;prohibited from doing what his natural physical body wanted to do it brought it to his attention. Then he had to supress his natural desires to keep himself following the Law. So it says that he developed "concupiscence" or lust. This is as a prohibited or hidden woman kindles desire. Men hasd to contain themselves when they attempted to follow the ten commandments.

Rm.7;9 For I was alive without the law once; but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

Before the law Paul was feeling vital when he just did freely whatsoever he thought of doing. This is the Serpent's "survival of the fittest attitude." It developes Vitality in nature by the method of natural selection. When Abram slaughtered 5 kings he was still living under it. Thats how Adam and Eve followed the Serpent out of Eden.

.7;12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just and good.

The law is holy because it alleviates the peoples suffering who have been forerly living under the "survival of the fittest." It creates a situation of safety and justice. God first showed mankind this covenant on mt Sinai.

7;13 Was then that which is good made death unto me?....But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become ezxceeding sinful.

Before the law when men did bad things they felt sorry only out of pity. After the introduction of the Law, they also felt injustice as their burden. So their sin got worse! (Modern civilization with the use of the legalized trade laws has put and kept the 3d world under a beast of poverty).

Rm.7;14 For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15. For that which I do I allow not; for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16.If then I do that which SI would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Paul then goes on to describe, in verses 14 to 23 this dreadful condition of men who have one will of their better mental understanding, but also an earthly animal nature as well. In rm.7;24 he says that it is umpossible for him. Then in verse 25 he finds relief in Jesus Christ!

The Serpent, the Beast and the False Prophet. They are the exact opposites of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And all of us both individually and personaly and also as a collective civilizationally can move more in one of these directions or the other. Both heaven and hell are in this way, within us. Lets talk some more. dan b