The Joy of Freedom

Does God and religion give solace or fear?

  • A Vindictive Killer God with Hell can only cause ultimate fear

    Votes: 4 100.0%
  • I don't fear a cruel killer God because I submit to him.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I fear any Abrahamic Gods, if I picked the wrong one, I am screwed.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I believe God is really a kindly Creator. The Bible is false

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    4
I often hear, "give yourself to Jesus." That does not sound like freedom to me. "Accept Jesus into your life to guide you," doe sound like slavery or some grade D movie about space invaders taking over human bodies.

Freedom is never giving yourself to another or accept another to rule your life. Christians do that. I hear it constantly.

True freedom is being independent, making your own decisions without restraints other than your own logic, reason, and scepticism. In True Freedom, you rule your own body and mind.

I realise Jesus is most likely fictional if no dead for 2000 years. You really cannot give yourself to a man who died long ago. The Jesus that Christians give up their freedom to, is not a First Century Palestinian Jew. Today's Jesus is the command and control of some self-appointed Pastor who often enriches himself by demanding money from the deluded followers.

Amergin
 
How does Christianity bring freedom? It demands your submission just as in Islam. Freedom in Christ is Orwellian Double Speak. Submission is freedom. Peace is war.

Christianity demands nothing of one, or be forced to convert or die. Christ never forces a single person to ever submit to his "demands". He stated, "follow me, and I will make your burden light". We, are left with the choice to follow, or not follow. PEOPLE try to force certain things...

I do not believe in any gods. I live in greater freedom than you. You are a slave to an idol who lived 2000 years ago. You are enslaved to adhere to a dogma (the one your Pastor orders for you.) You have a commandment forbidding you from changing religion to another God. You have a commandment ordering you to pay homage to your God every Sunday or Friday, or Saturday depending on which Christian cult controls you.

I have an uncle who is a priest, and he stated simply that the best a priest could ever hope for, is to be a decent human being.
There is no commandmant ordering any to pay homage to God, on Sunday or any other day. The Sabbath was not made for God, it was made for man (to rest and reflect). Jesus as an Idol? We use a "cross" to remind us of what was done for us, but we do not "pray" to a piece of wood.

Any "dogma" that may be, will not get us killed if we choose not to adhere to it.

Worship of God takes many forms my friend, not just prayers and tithing. Prostrating one's self really does no one else any good (and is bad for the knees and back). Looking out for others is a good way of worshipping God. Biting one's tongue for other's ignorance is another.

My morality is based on intuitive morality based on 7 million years of social and intellectual evolution.

We can't find any written evidence of social and "intellectual evolution" past 5000 years/10,000 year at a stretch...not to assume that it doesn't exist, we just haven't found it yet, unless someone has discovered the "lode stone" of ancient social/intellectual evolution. That, I would love to read about.


I do not kill anyone because I know it is intuitively wrong.

You must not have faced another who was going to kill you, and didn't give a damn about what you thought or believed.

You do not kill only because your God forbids you. If God commands killing you kill (Crusades, Abortionist murders, Gay people, burning women to death for witchcraft, beheading of heretics, Tim McVeigh blowing up the Federal Bldg in OKC with a Bible on his truck seat, and the African Slave Trade.) WOW.

So, all Christian are guilty of killing for any purpose because of what, someone picking pieces of history here and there, putting them together, lumping all Christians in that same boat and applying guilt to the whole? Nice.

UK, and USA Atheists opposed African Slavery from the beginning. Southern Baptists formed for the purpose of defending slavery, and later segregation. All of those pro-slavery, and Jim Crow Christians found their freedom in Jesus.

What history book did you get that from? The first "Baptists" were called "AnaBaptists" and were from New England, and had no slaves, ever.

"Baptists" were originally called "Calvary" Christians. "Baptist" wasn't added to them until it became known for their baptism procedures (e.g. submersion into water bodily whole).

You may well find solace in Jesus, but you cede your freedom to Jesus.

Indeed, letting go and letting God, is quite a liberating experience, and a comfort, to know that someone knows what the hell they are doing in this world, and are quite in charge, and that GOD loves YOU, and has your best interests at heart.

Amerigan, I'd like to meet the one who pissed in your cornflakes.

I'd smack 'em just for messing with your head, heart and soul.
 
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