Does the barcode have something to do with the mark of the Beast?

[Dogbrain]

Take another look at the words, and think in terms of metaphor for institutions:

And if one does that, then one can make the Bible or the Qur'an say anything at all, without limit. The prophesy-mongers always love to be "metaphorical" when it comes to their "prophesies", but they then turn around and refuse to be "metaphorical" on everything else.

 

[Dogbrain]

What I'm fearful of is getting this thing put in me.

"The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?" Psalm 27:1

Evidently, the Lord is not your light and salvation, and the Lord is not the strength of your life.

Otherwise, you would not be fearmongering about "prophecy".

 

[Dream]

And if one does that, then one can make the Bible or the Qur'an say anything at all, without limit. The prophesy-mongers always love to be "metaphorical" when it comes to their "prophesies", but they then turn around and refuse to be "metaphorical" on everything else.

They do refuse metaphor whenever it disagrees with them, but that does not invalidate the idea. There is a correspondence between the idea of Amalek and of the Man of Sin. The tribe of Amalek is literally no longer in existence, yet it scripture says there is to be war with Amalek throughout all generations. Since God cannot lie, this seems to force a metaphorical interpretation for Amalek, and there is a similar problem with the Son of Perdition that Quietwoman is talking about as the Beast. We are battle the Son of Perdition, but he is also called the Mystery of Lawlessness.(2Thess 2). "And then the lawless one will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by his appearing and his coming." I don't see how you can get any more metaphorical than that. If it is literal, then it means Jesus has miraculously heinusly bad breath.

I don't see this belief in a villainous man called the Beast as a lack of faithfulness or of belief either on Quietwoman's part. She believes the chips and bar codes are possible threats, possibly referenced in the Bible as marks placed upon those that are in sin. A lot of people, like me, are taught that it is the case, starting from when we are just children. The idea is one of respecting God's opinion not man's, which you would agree with. Fearing to take the mark can be similar to that.

 

[Sam Albion]

hahahahahaaaa.... This is the best laugh I've had all day.

Put down the crack pipe/bong/tabs of acid immediately!!!

 

[c0de]

And if one does that, then one can make the Bible or the Qur'an say anything at all, without limit.

There's nothing metaphorical about a verse like:
"thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife"

But when dealing with (e.g.) the dream visions of prophets
a literalistic method is missing the mark completely.

 

[Quietwoman]

My dear lady from Texas,

Consider, if you will, the comic nature of this situation. You begin a thread on matters relating to issues beyond the infinite, and then complain about their complexity?

Instead of asking for the matter to be brought down a level, perhaps you should strive to climb up the ladder, no? I suggested a book for "further reading." It might be a good place to start.

After all, is this not a matter worth worth your time and effort? Or would you rather just keep worrying about the barcodes on the milk cartons?

Sincerely yours,

A fan of the 'ol Texan chivalry

I you reall want people to understand you, you'll have to talk on their level. Just simplify things a little , that's all I ask.

As for books, I don't read commentaries or books on theology but stick with the Word of God or the Martyr's Mirror put out by the Anabaptists. (Have you ever heard of them?) Now that's a book I would suggest for you. Unlike today, there you have the Christians of the past starting from the time of Christ up until the 1600's who prevailed against
Satan and the anitchrists of their days. Sometime once again we'll have Christians like these, in these last days. Not that we're without our heroes today-just don't see it happening in America-probably because we don't have much opposition and the influence of technology.

Rhonda

 

[Quietwoman]

Consider this, if a "chip" can be put in, it can be dug out. The bible also makes it clear that not everyone will be fooled nor put up with the status quo, and will go into hiding. They will be hunted, but not found.

It will be interesting and exciting times for those remaining...

v/r

Q

OH, I think most of them will be found. That's why you see so many martyrs in the last days. But the Lord does come for a few , a remnant who has remained faithful and hasn't been killed or marked.

What I don't understand is why scriptures say everyone will be marked but I see at the end of Revelation some who rule and reign with Christ a 1,000 years who made it through the tribulation and days of the AntiChrist.

Rhonda

 

[Quietwoman]

"The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?" Psalm 27:1

Evidently, the Lord is not your light and salvation, and the Lord is not the strength of your life.

Otherwise, you would not be fearmongering about "prophecy".

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom? If you want to talk about fear, there you go. Either fear Him now or pay the consequences later. There is one we should fear, not so much what will happen because HE is in control of it all, but fearful of doing the wrong thing or giving in when persecuted. No, we shouldn't live in fear about this, your right about that, but we should fear God.

 

[c0de]

I you reall want people to understand you, you'll have to talk on their level. Just simplify things a little , that's all I ask.

I don't, actually.

Just certain people.

As for books, I don't read commentaries or books on theology

The book I recommended is a novel.

but stick with the Word of God or the Martyr's Mirror put out by the Anabaptists. (Have you ever heard of them?)

Nope.

Sometime once again we'll have Christians like these, in these last days. Not that we're without our heroes today-just don't see it happening in America-probably because we don't have much opposition and the influence of technology.

I dont see it happening, period.

But then again, I'm not Christian.

 

[Quahom1]

OH, I think most of them will be found. That's why you see so many martyrs in the last days. But the Lord does come for a few , a remnant who has remained faithful and hasn't been killed or marked.

What I don't understand is why scriptures say everyone will be marked but I see at the end of Revelation some who rule and reign with Christ a 1,000 years who made it through the tribulation and days of the AntiChrist.

Rhonda

I doubt it. If a man does not wish to be found, he can hide among the masses. Bible also says to be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves...

 

[Dogbrain]

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom? If you want to talk about fear, there you go. Either fear Him now or pay the consequences later. There is one we should fear, not so much what will happen because HE is in control of it all, but fearful of doing the wrong thing or giving in when persecuted. No, we shouldn't live in fear about this, your right about that, but we should fear God.

But you do not fear the Lord, you fear the antichrist. Otherwise, you would have no fear of bar codes.

 

[Quietwoman]

I don't, actually.

Just certain people.

The book I recommended is a novel.

Nope.

I dont see it happening, period.

But then again, I'm not Christian.

Oh, it's still happening, just not to the extent it used to . Satan has done his job well to make everybody fat and lazy and complacent, especialy in America because we are so prosperous and have so much, there is much to take our attention off what is worthy. But in these other countries where Christianity is forbidden-I've heard of persecution and deaths there.
The Russian church went underground during the time of communism. It's interesting that today Russian women still wear the head covering, at least the married ones do. For some reason they think it's not for the unmarried. The come to America (the young ones do )
and drop everything, cut their hair, stop wearing dresses. I'm an American woman who still believes that the headcovering and modest dress just isn't for the "other cultures".

What is the name of the book you mentioned? Maybe I can read ít, maybe not.

Rhonda

 

[Quietwoman]

But you do not fear the Lord, you fear the antichrist. Otherwise, you would have no fear of bar codes.

The fact that I take serious the warnings in Revelation is proof that I fear God, because I know of God's judgement on those who disobey. There are other areas of my life I need to get right for me to be toatly ready, but I'm working on it.

Now I had better get off here so I can take a shower and spend some time with hubby before bed.

Goodnight.

Rhonda

 

[c0de]

What is the name of the book you mentioned? Maybe I can read ít, maybe not.

You know you can flip through the pages of this thread, right?

Anyways, The Brothers Karamazov its by a Russian author,
who lived before Russia fell to communism.

 

[Sam Albion]

look... it's all a myth. There is no antichrist, and nobody's coming to save you. Deal with it. There's no satan making people fat and lazy. People are dumb and eat too many cakes-- that's why they're fat and lazy. That's all there is to it. There is no global conspiracy to put the beasts mark on packets of Jello. (The rumour is it's always green Jello... duno why, man...). Take responsibility for yourself. And, if you really do believe the devil-controlled government is putting 666 on Hershey Bars to subvert the good ole whitebread Fundies, then... maybe you're mentally ill. Maybe it's time to visit a psychiatrist and tell them what you're thinking...

 

[Quahom1]

look... it's all a myth. There is no antichrist, and nobody's coming to save you. Deal with it. There's no satan making people fat and lazy. People are dumb and eat too many cakes-- that's why they're fat and lazy. That's all there is to it. There is no global conspiracy to put the beasts mark on packets of Jello. (The rumour is it's always green Jello... duno why, man...). Take responsibility for yourself. And, if you really do believe the devil-controlled government is putting 666 on Hershey Bars to subvert the good ole whitebread Fundies, then... maybe you're mentally ill. Maybe it's time to visit a psychiatrist and tell them what you're thinking...

If someone considers this seriously, and then adjusts their lives accordingly (in order to be a little kinder, better, nicer, respectful), to others, what is the problem?

By the way, a myth is not a false hood...look it up.

v/r

Q

 

[Quietwoman]

look... it's all a myth. There is no antichrist, and nobody's coming to save you. Deal with it. There's no satan making people fat and lazy. People are dumb and eat too many cakes-- that's why they're fat and lazy. That's all there is to it. There is no global conspiracy to put the beasts mark on packets of Jello. (The rumour is it's always green Jello... duno why, man...). Take responsibility for yourself. And, if you really do believe the devil-controlled government is putting 666 on Hershey Bars to subvert the good ole whitebread Fundies, then... maybe you're mentally ill. Maybe it's time to visit a psychiatrist and tell them what you're thinking...

Wake up and smell the coffee. Maybe I don't want to wait until our kids are pleding allegiance to the one world flag to realize duhhh, I was told about this one world government that was coming 40 years ago, but I was too stupid to believe it. Get a brain or something. If the barcode has three sixes and there putting it on the food the next step is they'll be putting it on people. Maybe the barcode thing is a myth, maybe not. I don't know but I do know this someday, probably in the not too distant future they WILL be marking people.

Q

 

[chakraman]

wasn't the term anti-christ invented by religious nuts to inject fear into the masses, think they even borrowed the nature spirit known as pan, with his hooves and horns, to bare this label. i think hell is also another construct used to make folk behave in a certain way...or else. i believe the notion of evil and the devil is relatively new...religion has been demonising occult symbols and beings for a good while now, this is just an extension of that.

i like also steiner's notion, that darkened beings are actually sacrificing themselves so that we can learn through their evil. i do aknowledge a stream of evil, but not absolute. personally i just leave it alone, to talk of evil deeds etc, just gives life to that stream. all that matters is extinguishing my own hell fire...

was the dead bird on my doorstep a witches curse or a cat, does my neighbour "grow" chickens for eggs and meat or for sacrificial devil worship. where does truth end and paranoia begin...my own personal experience has lead to me believe that these fixed points do move and at different rates depending on the individual. you know coeliac or severe gluten intolerance is associated paranoid schoezophrenia and i can attest that if i eat gluten it would be a witch that put that dead bird on my doorstep and absolutely no-one could make me believe otherwise, cos i knew!!! no gluten and then it's a cat lol...bringing me a pressie cos i cool

i like this quote: "Hitler and Mussolini were only the primary spokesmen for the attitude of domination and craving for power that are in the heart of almost everyone. Until the source is cleared, there will always be confusion and hate, wars and class antagonisms..."

point being, i think, is that each of us own a little hitler. inventing anti-christs just allows us to pass responsibilty for this UNHOLY mess elsewhere. we each have a barcode mentality. the only action is putting out the fire in your own house, this affects the whole of mankind and cos you went by boat the rest'll go by jet, but no, let's burn and pontificate...

i remember reading the story/account of how following the end of the ww2, 100,000 german women were raped by russian soldiers, so my thought was, was nazism as a state of mind, defeated? i think not...

my government/friends etc want to avert my and their own attention to the "terrorist" in another country who apparently wants to kill me...i'm more concerned with the terrorist that lives on every street corner and subtlely in my heart....a priest or parent who says do this or burn is a terrorist in my view and hence "the beast" within....

i'm left wondering also, if you really believe this or just wanna prick folks attention. one world government sounds pretty cool to me as nationalism like religion is another source of division in the world....flippin poxy rag, flags...barf, wouldn't wipe my derriere with the likes of...

lets put our own fires out eh?! lets tame the beast within...enough endless chickening out andf laying blame elsewhere, we're profoundly sick and completely unawares of our own travesty...

right i'm off to stoke the flames n feed the beast... 666

 

[Dream]

Wake up and smell the coffee. Maybe I don't want to wait until our kids are pleding allegiance to the one world flag to realize duhhh, I was told about this one world government that was coming 40 years ago

It is true that a one world-government is an idea that has been in the works now for a long time -- much longer than 40 years. Its not a secret though. Diplomacy just takes a long time. It has been a very open idea for a long time, much longer than forty years ago. I believe that certain evil men parading as ministers have spread rumors about the one world movement to try and make money for themselves. They stir up a lot of angst over something that hasn't a hoot to do with Revelation, and try to frighten everyone that there is a conspiracy. Its not a conspiracy but public diplomacy; and its not likely to work, either. There is nothing wrong with trying to prevent world wars through diplomacy -- it isn't a sin. It just has little or no hope of succeeding.

Despite all of the efforts that have been made, few politicians actually believe that a world-wide government is possible. The countries are all very different and don't want to live under the same laws. Kings and Treaties try to unite countries, but kings and treaties are like flowers that wither. "For the sun rises with scorching heat and withers the plant; its blossom falls and its beauty is destroyed...."(James 1:11) That is why diplomacy always fails -- why it makes treaties of peace and breaks them. It is symbolized elsewhere in the Bible as a weak staff that we lean on, which breaks and skewers us. This is how the Beast continually deceives us for periods of time, we worship, and it breaks faith with us. Sometimes it is a king and sometimes a country. A Christian's hope is not in diplomacy, not in who gets elected president next. We can still vote and serve, but our hope is in other methods.

 

[Quietwoman]

Despite all of the efforts that have been made, few politicians actually believe that a world-wide government is possible. The countries are all very different and don't want to live under the same laws. Kings and Treaties try to unite countries, but kings and treaties are like flowers that wither. "For the sun rises with scorching heat and withers the plant; its blossom falls and its beauty is destroyed...."(James 1:11) That is why diplomacy always fails -- why it makes treaties of peace and breaks them. It is symbolized elsewhere in the Bible as a weak staff that we lean on, which breaks and skewers us. This is how the Beast continually deceives us for periods of time, we worship, and it breaks faith with us. Sometimes it is a king and sometimes a country. A Christian's hope is not in diplomacy, not in who gets elected president next. We can still vote and serve, but our hope is in other methods.[/QUOTE]

Hello,
Just want to quote one verse out of Revelation:

"And God hath put it in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled." Revelation 17:17

There are other verses that go along with this. My question to you, Dream, is who do YOU say these kings are?

Actualy, many politicians talk about the "new world order". They want to put it back how it was before the tower of Babel was destroyed. The world is getting closer to it. Just recently they developed the Euro. Europe has the whole world mapped into different sections all under Europe. They want to see the world become one and they've already got us mapped out. There will be no more United states but one big America, from what I've heard.

Rhonda