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[Muslimwoman]

A 13 year old boy is still a child.

What is it about the statement that during the period of history "puberty is the biological sign of adulthood" do you not understand?

Mary gave birth Jesus (pbut) at the age of 12 or 13 ... it was just normal for centuries for people of that age to be considered adults.

All that doesnt matter. 900 men of the Banu Qurayza tribe were beheaded, and their women and children were enslaved, under the direct orders and supervision of Muhammad.

Incorrect, it was on the orders of Sa'd ibn Muaadh and I have no problems with the Prophet supervising the beheadings. Had they not broken the treaty and betrayed the Muslims in an attempt to wipe out the Muslims it would not have happened.

You're also wrong in believing that Muhammad was a prophet of God.

Does God tell you that directly or do you just hear voices?

What a great man Muhammad was! I say this because he said pus is better than poetry:

I have no idea why poetry is that bad. Do you?

Sahih Bukhari - book of Al-Adab No 867

Shurayh said, "I ask 'A'isha, may Allah be pleased her with, 'Did the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, recite any poetry?' She said, 'He used to recite some of the poetry of 'Abdullah ibn Rawaha

As the Prophet (pbuh) used to recite some poetry we can only conclude that you didn't understand the hadith you were talking about. It helps if you look at the whole hadith and not just a few words:

Sahih Buhkari - book of Al-Adab No 870

Ibn 'Umar reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "It is better for one of you to fill his belly with pus than to fill it with poetry."

I've put the two important words in bold so you can't miss them!!

 

[c0de]

You didnt tell me why...

The 3rd response of post #17 tells you exactly why.

You either missed it, or have the following syndrome:

 

[Waleed]

What is it about the statement that during the period of history "puberty is the biological sign of adulthood" do you not understand?

What part of "900 men beheaded and their women and children enslaved, is wrong, cruel and most of all, simply barbaric" -- do you not understand?

Mary gave birth Jesus (pbut) at the age of 12 or 13 ... it was just normal for centuries for people of that age to be considered adults.

It doesnt MATTER. By today's standards, a 13 year old boy who has started growing pubic hair is still a CHILD -- do you agree? If you're going to live in 2011, leave this 7th century religion back where it belongs and come out of it. Leave Islam.

Does God tell you that directly or do you just hear voices?

Are you talking to me or Muhammad?

Sahih Buhkari - book of Al-Adab No 870

Ibn 'Umar reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "It is better for one of you to fill his belly with pus than to fill it with poetry."

So? How did your change make a difference in what I quoted? Its still the same. I made a new thread about it. Why dont you go over there and tell me what your prophet meant by saying that its better to fill one's stomach with pus than to fill it with poetry? Go ahead.

C0de, I think that picture reflects everyone who believes Muhammad was a prophet of God and Islam is a religion from God. Thanks for sharing it.

 

[c0de]

C0de, I think that picture reflects everyone who believes Muhammad was a prophet of God and Islam is a religion from God. Thanks for sharing it.

You've lost the argument already dude.

You could even have tried a completely valid response to my counter-argument, but you just don't know enough to continue, so you simply stopped responding (and therefore lost, automatically).

However, even that response to my counter which exists, I have encountered before here (by posters a little more adept at argument then you) and have rebutted.

Over all, you've been an unimpressive opponent.

 

[Waleed]

You've lost the argument already dude.

You could even have tried a completely valid response to my counter-argument, but you just don't know enough to continue, so you simply stopped responding (and therefore lost, automatically).

However, even that response to my counter which exists, I have encountered before here (by posters a little more adept at argument then you) and have rebutted.

Over all, you've been an unimpressive opponent.

You said nothing important in that post.

Why dont you go back and tell me why you've rejected the Quranic punishment of cutting off hands and feet as "archaic"?

Is not the whole (or most of the) religion of Islam archaic?

Why did you not respond to that post? Is it because you gave an answer that you know is now hard to defend?

 

[c0de]

You said nothing important in that post.

You've said nothing important following that post of mine, which adequately deals with your objection. All you've done since is repetition.

Why dont you go back and tell me why you've rejected the Quranic punishment of cutting off hands and feet as "archaic"?

Again, I already dealt with this in my response to another poster, in some detail.

Is it because you gave an answer that you know is now hard to defend?

You haven't made an argument for me to defend against dude. You're just repeating something over and over again like a broken record.

 

[Muslimwoman]

Why dont you go over there and tell me what your prophet meant by saying that its better to fill one's stomach with pus than to fill it with poetry? Go ahead.

If you were here to actually discuss religion then I would but as you aren't I will simply follow the instructions of the Quran and say to you Salam.