Does any one do the following

true and my spells are working. It is so easy and fun. No I dont know about Golden Dawn but I am going to check it right now. thanks
 
lover454 said:
Does anyone do magic spells the way I do them which is as follows: I do all my spells on the computer. I open up my computer graphic program. I search on line for graphics that pertain to my spell and poems and/or lyrics as well. Then copy and paste both the clip art and poems and/or lyrics onto the document in the graphic program. Then I also put in a line that says this magic spell does not have to be printed out to work and I thank the gods/goddesses. And save it. I also recite it after saving it.

I do it this way because I dont like using real candles, or using real props. To me it is the intent and belief in the spell. And how do we really know that a waning moon, full moon, beads, herbs really make the spell effective.

Many of my spells have been coming true.
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Personally, I simply ask God for help, then act as if he is helping. That seems to work more times than not.:)
 
In the past I was always into more of an archetypal "path working" approach based on the western tradition as I found it a handy way to organize my thoughts in order to establish depth to my intention. However, there always seemed to be a slight disconnect between the free-associational aspect of my natural thought flow and the compression required to convert that to the more digital format of archetypal metaphysical modeling. (read Wayne Dwyer meets kabbalistic tarot). Perhaps that was a necessary sort of scholastic interim phase? Now that I'm not so keen on "manifesting" in the short term I'm more allowing of a natural flow of thought tied to large, intentional, sort of open-ended process "goals" that don't require such immediate concentration. "Being a better person" and "allowing" doesn't require the sort of immediate spell working that concentrates on specific metaphysical processes inherent in spell "casting."

That probably doesn't make any sense.

I guess you could boil it down to the idea that intention is what manifests results. Whatever devices are useful in concentrating intention become a tool box for getting the job done. But it's easy to become obsessed with the tools as a sort of academic exercise. To some extent that's part of maintaining interest. I love tools! But in the end analysis it's the nurturance and honing of intention and passion itself that produces. The tools are just a means to an end. You can wind up adding useless steps to the process just in order to use some groovy tool that you don't really need, but bought and need to get some satisfaction out of. This adds layers of inefficiency, but it's part of the process of maturing from apprentice to master of the craft.

Chris
 
hi chris,

i think it makes sense insofaras i follow what you're saying :)

i've been lamenting the lack of a qualified action seal to continue my practice though.
 
to Vajradhara can you explain this: "i've been lamenting the lack of a qualified action seal to continue my practice though."
 
to chinacatsunflower: can you explain I am not sure what you mean.
 
Vajradhara said:
hi chris,

i think it makes sense insofaras i follow what you're saying :)

i've been lamenting the lack of a qualified action seal to continue my practice though.
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Ah, that's the rub, isn't it. I added another paragraph in editing since you responded that may help, but I'm not saying I'm a master anything. Maybe a master baiter, hah! Passion and intention should drive action. There's an element of waiting for something to happen that's the crappy part of solitary practice. That's part of the reason I've given up much of the symbolic sort of gesticulation. I want to act in the moment where action is occurring. I have all of this down time where I'm tempted to flagellate upon purely conceptual things just to amuse myself. That doesn't seem to accomplish much, though. It's hard to take the long view.

Chris
 
lover454 said:
to Vajradhara can you explain this: "i've been lamenting the lack of a qualified action seal to continue my practice though."
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well... i don't have a qualified action seal to practice with so my practice has to be essentially solo. there are ways to use action seals without full qualifications but such things, in my view, border on the unethical and so i don't engage in them.

an action seal is another being that is initiated into the system that can help you do the work. conversely, you are the action seal for the other, so it's a very symbiotic process which requires both beings to be near the same stage/grade of development.
 
ChinaCatSunflower. I am still NOT following. Are you doing spells or not? Do you use the props that some of the others are?
 
Vajradhara said:
well... i don't have a qualified action seal to practice with so my practice has to be essentially solo. there are ways to use action seals without full qualifications but such things, in my view, border on the unethical and so i don't engage in them.

an action seal is another being that is initiated into the system that can help you do the work. conversely, you are the action seal for the other, so it's a very symbiotic process which requires both beings to be near the same stage/grade of development.
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Oh, OK. The purpose of shared ritual is to mutually confer status. It's hard without this. I'm a solitary practitioner as well so I understand the problem. Since I'm not part of an established tradition I really don't have any other option than to press on alone, so I've had to adapt. I think that what I'm saying is too abstract to help. Sorry.

Chris
 
lover454 said:
ChinaCatSunflower. I am still NOT following. Are you doing spells or not? Do you use the props that some of the others are?
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The simple answer is no. I've moved on from specific devices like spells and props because what I'm participating in are large metaphysical processes which are, I find at this point anyway, slowed down and unnecessarily complicated by the digital conversion to specific archetypal concept-devices. IOW, I don't want to divide my mental processes into intention flow over ---------> here, and specific devices like props and spells over -------> here. One is a digital chopping up into specific objects of contemplation, the other an analog flow of desire and intention. I don't want them to be separate.

Chris
 
China Cat Sunflower said:
Ah, that's the rub, isn't it. I added another paragraph in editing since you responded that may help, but I'm not saying I'm a master anything. Maybe a master baiter, hah! Passion and intention should drive action. There's an element of waiting for something to happen that's the crappy part of solitary practice. That's part of the reason I've given up much of the symbolic sort of gesticulation. I want to act in the moment where action is occurring. I have all of this down time where I'm tempted to flagellate upon purely conceptual things just to amuse myself. That doesn't seem to accomplish much, though. It's hard to take the long view.

Chris
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thanks for the additional information!

it sounds like you're using some hermetic system of practice, are you part of a formal system?

the way you describe your work, however, sounds more shamanistic in nature... pun intended :)
 
lover454 said:
I still dont understand.
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Sorry. I'm being quite abstract.

Do you have a fix on the specific universal processes you're trying to bend to your will? Not just "I need money so I'll light 8 green candles" kind of thing. Why green? Why eight? Spells are intended to connect to these universal constructs, but to the layman there's a disconnect between the objects and their archetypal meaning. You may find yourself acting out proscribed rituals with proscribed objects, reaping some benefit, and yet not understanding what the theoretical process is. Is this the case- at least to some extent?

Chris
 
I dont do rituals. I dont use the actual candles or actual gems, etc. I do everything on the computer. Read again
 
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