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Vajradhara said:
hi Chris,

so you've studied some of the formal western traditions and have modified them to fit your own style. impressive actually.

i found the western symbology to be all out of whack to my way of thinking and consequently have only managed to scrounge together the basics of the predominate systems... though, in a foundational sense, nearly all the western tradition traces its origins to the Golden Dawn so their texts often provide the key to unlocking the other traditions teachings.

my own tradition is a fusion of Taoist Spiritual Alchemy and Tantra which as an extensive body of symbology as you may well imagine :)

metta.
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That's really interesting Vaj. I actually started out reading Alice Bailey, which I found nearly incomprehensible. I moved over to Theosophy and started doing path working with the Arthurian Tarot, but at the same time I was reading the Vedas and trying to combine east and west like that. But the further I got the more I felt like I needed to find a standardized system that would accommodate a host of things like music and vibration theory, Pythagorean concepts and sacred geometry (innate proportion, Fibonacci sequence... stuff like that), classical astrology, and kabbalistic concepts. Like you say, there's pretty much only one place for that: the Golden Dawn. I tried to cross over into Jewish kabbalah but found it culturally foreign, so I stuck with the western system. I find the Jewish stuff more genuine, but it's too hard to commit to and doesn't have the familiar sort of medieval imagery and iconology that works well with classical tarot.

Anyway, I worked my way through all of that stuff only to find that ceremonialism really isn't my thing. I just can't submerge and identify with it. I don't have the Catholic background one needs, I guess. Plus, after all of that metaphysical modeling and construction I started to deconstruct via existentialism and post-modern analysis. Now I'm pretty much done with that and I'm sort of, well, free! I see all of the constructs swimming around in a collaged surface of meaning, I'm free to observe and enjoy, but I'm kind of doing a working meditation thing where I'm just loving the mundane actions of my life, my work, my kids, my lover, my little hobbies, and not holding a part of myself separate and heavy duty.

Chris
 
Let's try and keep it calm and civil, folks - this is a thread about spells, I think, so would be good to keep to discussing the topic, rather than discussing posters. :)
 
I don't recall being involved a lot in spells but have recited mantras when I visited a nearby Hindu Temple and learned the Gayatri Mantra.. which I still feel has some powerful influence.. Recite it in Sanskrit..

Om Bhur Bhuva Suvah
Tat Savithur Varenyam
Bhargo Devasya Dheemahi
Dhiyo Yonah Prachodayat

Gayatri Mantra Meaning, Significance, Audio, Sources

Now the meaning for me has to do with Light which is also related for me to the Manifestation of God as I'm a Baha'i..anyway I commend the Mantra..

From the link above:

these first nine words describe the glory of God
dheemahi = may imbibe ; pertains to meditation
dhiyo = intellect ;
yo = who ;
naha = our ;
prachodayat = may inspire!
"dhiyo yo na prachodayat" is a prayer to God

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In the Abjad reckoning "Baha" has a numerical value of nine and Baha'u'llah means the Glory of God so that's one resason the Gayatri still has significance for me.
 
Well, actually I have access to some information about what is purported to be magic but have not done anything with it. I think that its mostly a closed subject for me unless I crack the books, and I'm too superstitious to actually do anything magical, if that makes sense. What if I used magic and something happened? Its a bit too outside the box at the moment. I also would prefer that magic be like an I-pad, where it just works rather than where I'm having to jiggle this and that until something happens. Opposite to that, I wouldn't want to be confined to what other people provided, so I'd want to be able to write my own scripts but with assurance that they would work.
 
I find when I do the spells the way I do them it locks in the spell. What I mean is after I choose my words I then put clip art in to represent the spell and save the document so now the document is saved and the clip art holds the spell in. To me lighting a candle and then blowing it out or letting it burn down does not lock the spell in or give energy out, because once the candle is burned out or blown out that is it, whereas the clip art is never blown out or burned down. Same thing with other props.
 
Sorry to arrive so late to the conversation, but as a Buddhist and skeptic, there are a number of things that raise my doubts about your observations.

Seeing signs is seductively easy to fall prey to. In the end, we see what we want to see. We interpret things to be signs because it fits the narrative we want to spin. People for ages have picked flower petals to see whether someone "loves them" or "loves them not", but in reality it was just a flower and not an oracle of someone's devotion. The human mind is brilliant at making connections and when one actually seeks them out the mind will easily accommodate those wishes.

Instead of putting your intent out in the hope of influencing people's behavior or actions or the world's circumstances, I practice finding peace and equanimity with whatever behaviors, actions or circumstances I encounter. Life is filled with unexpected and uncontrollable moments. Being able to meet each moment with compassion and equanimity is an empowering way to live. You don't need to influence anybody else's behavior... just your own.
 
to citzen you are so wrong. One of the things they teach you is signs are very important and no you do not fall prey to it or see what we want to see. The love me love me not is so different from getting signs that your spell(s) are working. And as you point out you are a skeptic so of course you are going to doubt it, but as I said signs are very important.

And no I wanted to do these spells for many reasons and I am glad I did, that doesnt mean I dont want to be the best I can be, every one wants to be the best they can be
 
to dream can you explain this: What if I used magic and something happened? Its a bit too outside the box at the moment. I also would prefer that magic be like an I-pad, where it just works rather than where I'm having to jiggle this and that until something happens. Opposite to that, I wouldn't want to be confined to what other people provided, so I'd want to be able to write my own scripts but with assurance that they would work.
 
lover454 said:
to citzen you are so wrong.
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Who are the "they" that taught you?

How can you be sure that you do not fall prey to seeing what you want to see, when that is a very common human trait that people often fall into?

What signs do you receive that tell you your spells are working?

And finally, why is it wrong to meet life's circumstances with equanimity and compassion instead of trying to manipulate them with your intention and spells?
 
bob x said:
Well, this may be lover's way of finding that equanimity.
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Which would seem to contradict using ones intent to influence events and peoples behavior. Equanimity would mean accepting these things without trying to exert one's intent to alter them.
 
Aside from the "serenity to accept the things we cannot change" we also need the "courage to change the things we can"; equanimity does not mean a fatalistic sense of powerlessness. Ritual does not, by itself, change the universe, but can confer the confidence that makes it possible for things to happen. Lover does need a dose of the "wisdom to know the difference": the will of other people is, of course, one of the things we cannot change and should not expect to be able to control.
 
bob x said:
Aside from the "serenity to accept the things we cannot change" we also need the "courage to change the things we can"...
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I completely agree.

And one thing we can change is our own self... a far more fruitful and empowering endeavor than trying to change someone else.
 
NO you can change the will of people. Changing the will is not the same as harming. I dont harm people. And I have gotten so many signs. But I was taught you do not say what your spell is or the signs you get because that could harm the spells intent and I dont want to do that.

And no I am not seeing what I want to see. The signs are happening in abundance.
 
People you can feel the way you feel but please do not tell me how I should feel and what type of spells I should do. I resent it and you would as well.
 
lover454 said:
People you can feel the way you feel but please do not tell me how I should feel and what type of spells I should do. I resent it and you would as well.
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I haven't told you "how [you] should feel" or "what type of spells [you] should do".

If you think that I am, then that is one reason I'm skeptical about the signs you claim to be experiencing.

You seem to see things that aren't really there.
 
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