Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliation!!!

[Bhaktajan II]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

I'd like to posit the concept of Soul/Transmigration of Soul/Karmic purpose/the individisable individuality of being, with this question:

Are Babies* Copywrighted?
IOW, Ego-Cell beings individisably individual(s)?

[*human & sub-human species too]

IOW, Is Individuality Copywright-able?

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Also:

Regarding the opinion that:
'The soul is born once --existing, and then upon death, phooff, they're extinguished from existence' ---

It should be reasoned that before "Birth" the soul was dead ---after that "dead state" ---the "Birth" of the soul is experienced as Life/Living.

We live in a world composed of 'duality' ---so:
'What ever is dead now, will later, take a living birth;
and,
What ever is alive now, will later, experience death'.

Birth and death follow eachother continuously in the cycle known as 'samsara' ---because each state of birth & death are eternally present and inseperable especially here in the 'Material-World'.

a] Where ever there is death, there will follow birth &
b] Where ever there is birth, there will follow death . . .
c] return to a].

 

[Waymarker]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

..Birth and death follow eachother continuously in the cycle known as 'samsara'..

Says who? A holy man or guru or mystic? What was his name, and what credentials does he have to make us want to listen to him?

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

Says who? A holy man or guru or mystic? What was his name, and what credentials does he have to make us want to listen to him?

Great explicit question. This is the status Quo Question that must be asked when "seeking" a bonefide Guru ---of any topic/Subject/curricullum/expertise.

Originally Posted by bhaktajan
..Birth and death follow eachother continuously in the cycle known as 'samsara'..

Says who?
His name: A.C. Bhaktivedanta swami
A holy man or guru or mystic?
Bhaktivedanta swami, is an orthodox Vaishnava Guru par excellance due to his un-surpassed accomplishment of broadcasting orthodox Hinduism as it is/as it was/as it will be.

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, is very dear to Lord Krishna, he is a servant of his own Guru, Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami . . . he is kindly preaching the direct & explicit message of Lord Caitanya [c.1450's] delivering the revelation of ancient Hindu-Theism to the modern day Western countries which are filled with impersonalism and voidism.​

What was his name, and what credentials does he have to make us want to listen to him?

 

[Waymarker]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

Says who?
His name: A.C. Bhaktivedanta swami

Ah, just a human being then, same as Lord Caitanya was.
I remember I read ACB's book 'The Science of Self-Realization' about 30 years ago and was impressed at first, but then realized he was only saying a lot of what Jesus had already said, but packaged in a different flowery way.
And I didn't like his obsession with wearing robes and chanting mantras and stuff, so I lost interest.
Jesus am the instrument for me..

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

What credentials does he have to make us want to listen to him?

He is a bonefide representative of Krishna's message as Krishna himself spoke in the Bhagavad-gita.

Bhativedanta Swami represents the discplic succession (parampara; sampradaya) known as Brhama-madhva-Gaudiya discplic succession.



Who else would I cite?,
Bhaktajan

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

Jesus am the instrument for me..

Lesson #1 for neophyte alway was and always will be:

"We are not the body, we are spirit-souls ---in the material world"

When the Jesus Died and Rose again ---he illustrated the above maxim.

That "learning moment" illustrated in Jesu Cristo's pastime shows the soul lives on after this life time ---that indicates "Transmigration-of-the-soul" ---this is an elementary lesson that the Brute status of society of Christ's era had no merit to have known nor learnt ---if not for the causeless Mercy of Christ's pastime in the Square of Public Opinion of Rome's world society.

Per La Gloria d'Roma!,
Bhaktajan

 

[Waymarker]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

[re AC Bhaktivedanta swami]-
He is a bonefide representative of Krishna's message as Krishna himself spoke in the Bhagavad-gita.

I know I could google it, but I'd prefer hearing it from you (as I'm sure the popcorn-munching audience of this thread would), so could you remind us who Krishna was? I'm guessing he was God, so who exactly wrote down his words in the Bhagavad-gita?

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

just a human being then

Regading the supposed Talking Point of the above citation:

I presume that our lives are predicated on "service to humanity at large" --preformed by other "Humans".

We alone cannot conquer the morning Call-of-Nature.
What to say of all the civic utility mechanisims that we often take for granted; ie: electricity, flamability of petro, the Revolutions of the Sun Globe, the satifaction of the taste of water, not being lame due to past bad karma, etal is our fortune to be witness to the majesty of Our Father in Heaven whose name is Hallowed.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

so could you remind us who Krishna was?
I'm guessing he was God,
so who exactly wrote down his words in the Bhagavad-gita?

Krishna, is the source of Mahavishnu expansion of the Manifest Cosmos.
Krishna appeared in the Royal Dynasty of the Ancient world 3,000 BCE in the Royal Capitol of Old India.

Krishna's pastimes have been an open book revelation since Time Immemorial, but since the few years that have past since western civilasation transpired ---few have sought out this revelation ---due to pre-occupation with colonising the world's resources et al.

The Epic sanskrit known as the Maha-bharata of India reveals Krishna's Fame in that ancient epoch ---one chapter of the Mahabharata is known as the "Bhagavad-gita" ("The Song-of-God").

God appeared in the last Aryan Empire prefromed his pastimes and left the Universe.

Krishna, is the Name of God that means, All-Attractive Persona:


God, as the All-Attractive Persona is known to be the originating fountainhead resourvior of all Personality Traits, and, explicitedly, infinitely full in all opulences ----there are six famous opulences that define Godhead:

God, the supreme personality of Godhead, is full in all opulences:
1 the Most Famous
2 the strongest
3 the richest
4 the most intelligent
5 the most Beautiful
6 the most renounced

The Almighty Godhead in Heaven is the supreme singular autocrat who possesses all Opulences ---these super-excellent status of Godhead are NOT sought by "Frog in the wells" who forget their hapless tiny temporal existences and confuse it for some short lived chance to become lords of all they survey.

Devotional service [aka, Bhakti-yoga] penance should be the status quo ---even if done on a small scale person-by-person zen-like approach.

Absolute Truth embodied by the supreme personality of Godhead is uniquely revealed in the Vedas of India ----after all this time.
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we must avoid the "Frog in the Well" conceit of thinking all we survey is the extent of the World,
Bhaktajan

 

[Waymarker]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

Thanks, and what do Hare Krishna devotees think of Jesus, was he the Son of God or what?

 

[Waymarker]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

..That "learning moment" illustrated in Jesu Cristo's pastime shows the soul lives on after this life time ---that indicates "Transmigration-of-the-soul"..

Yes, Jesus said the soul lives on after the death of the body, but what he certainly never said is that it 'reincarnates' into a new body.
He said it goes on a one-way trip to heaven or hell and stays there forever.

Reincarnation is a man-made --one might even say Satanic-- belief; we can imagine Satan whispering in gullible ears-"Psst, don't worry about hell, you'll reincarnate straight back out of it into a new body, you can trust me, why would I lie?"

Any faith that includes a reincarnation belief is therefore a "revolving door" religion for those who can't or won't accept that death is a one-way trip..

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

what do Hare Krishna devotees think of Jesus, was he the Son of God or what?

Of course, why Not ---Christ's pastimes are very reminiscent of the path of Boddhisattvas; and very reminiscent of the purpose of an "Avatar of Godhead Incarnate" ---as Krishna says to his hesitant cousin the Prince Arjuna [on the 1st Day of the start of a Major Civil-war]:

Gita 4.7:
Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion--at that time I descend Myself.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is, 4: Transcendental Knowledge, Text 7.

The rule of thumb has been written:
God advents and preaches, as per "Time and Place" ---as per the conditions of the persons living in that "Time and Place".

Alas, we spirits in the material world [of temporal passing Time] are accorded facility to access the goal of our free-will. That means we are tested repeatedly until we cultivate the proper ettiquette required to be "Like our father in Heaven" ---our free-will to be a lover of God is up to our 'free-will'. At least we are present to hear the lessons when those lessons were taught. Now we are on our own recognisance.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

but what he certainly never said is that it 'reincarnates' into a new body.

Only God Re-Incarnates. All other souls ---"Part-and-Parcel of God's status as Supreme-Soul" --- leave their bodies and take new births that allow for reformation ---through the merciful agency of the Souls taking a new birth (Transmigration of the soul into a fresh birth) ---hard learned lessons can be both Enjoyed and/or sufferred through . . . all for the purpose of reformation of seeing all as the property of Godhead.

Contrarily, there are many humans along with the lower life-forms of living entities that spend their time is the definitive pastimes of a] eating b] sleeping c] mating d] defending ---as the all in all of life ---to the point of self-hating frustrating pursuit of eternalilty by dint of their own prowess; when alas, we "Spirits in the material-World" are minute beings that have little control over the elements that afflict our daily weather reports.

But, the cultivation of "Gratefullness" during the short span of waking hours that comprise of daily lives allows for appreciating what is absolute vs what is temporal.

It is written that the Material world is a merciful concession to fallen souls to live lives seperate from the eternal association of face-to-face inter-personal recriprocal exchanges & pastimes with the Coolest Person ---we are in search of the coolest person because we too are indivisiable/individual persons.

BTW, the "Original-Original" form of Krishna is a Cow-heard boy on a cow-farm playing with his own entourage.

God is an Absolute Persona.

Gita 4.5:
The Blessed Lord said: Many, many births both you and I have passed. I can remember all of them, but you cannot, O Arjuna
http://www.asitis.com/4/5.html

God as an Absolute Persona ---has his own name, fame, form, personality, paraphenalia, entourage & pastimes ----all outside and transcendent to laws the govern time and space as witnessed here in the material world.

 

[Waymarker]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

Waymarker quote- what do Hare Krishna devotees think of Jesus, was he the Son of God or what?

Of course, why Not ---.

Then what's so appealing about Hare Krishna that makes them prefer it to Christianity?

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

Waymaker,

Referring to Krishna devotees as "Hare Krishnas"
is like referring to Christains as "Our Fathers"
or like referring to Mohamedians as "Bishma-Allahs"

Hare Krishna is part of the mantra-prayer chanted on their Japa (rosary) beads during daily meditation prayers.

Hindu Hare Krishnas are the equivilant of Jewish Hassidim.

Hare Krishnas are the Hassidim of Hinduism.

We are orthodox and meant to cultivate Brahminical Qualities in those who are qualified to live a Brahminical life as per classical rules of Yoga.

Hare Krishnas are Yogis preforming the famous esoteric yoga called Bhakti (devotion).

From the Gita, there are 3 catagories of Yoga [yoga, to link ~akin to religio, to re-link] in the following progressing order:
1 Karma yoga - do good, avoid bad 24/7
2 gyana yoga - study scripture etal 24/7
3 Bhakta yoga - devotion to God etal 24/7

This is referred, by some, as the yoga Ladder ---for it requires multiple successive life-times to progress from rung to rung ---unless one gets on the fast track.

The lesson of the Guru grinds slowly & finely during the course of Life.

Jesus Christ taught according to time and place ---for some the lesson is learnt straight away:

John 16:12-15 Jesus said,
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now. . . . "


So now after all the un-diginified miilions of earth citisens have managed to die in myraids of ways that have filled the Daily tabloids ---many have gone past the Mid-east to the farther east traditions ---to rectifiy their funky mundane Karma.


on the fast track,

Bhaktajan

 

[Waymarker]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

Referring to Krishna devotees as "Hare Krishnas"
is like referring to Christains as "Our Fathers"
or like referring to Mohamedians as "Bishma-Allahs"
Hare Krishna is part of the mantra-prayer chanted on their Japa (rosary) beads during daily meditation prayers.
Hindu Hare Krishnas are the equivilant of Jewish Hassidim.
Hare Krishnas are the Hassidim of Hinduism.

So what do you call yourselves?

 

[Snoopy]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

Reincarnation is a man-made --one might even say Satanic-- belief; we can imagine Satan whispering in gullible ears-"Psst, don't worry about hell, you'll reincarnate straight back out of it into a new body, you can trust me, why would I lie?"

Any faith that includes a reincarnation belief is therefore a "revolving door" religion for those who can't or won't accept that death is a one-way trip..

Here's an opinion from an oldie on here to a newbie. It's a very relaxed site, no enforcement to stay on topic and not much moderation. The code of conduct is deliberately vague, expecting posters to self-moderate by and large.

However you will see on the front page the site is divided into various forums and sub-forums and there's meant to be some sort of self-evident reason for this. One-track evangelising across all the forums will I think be viewed as rather tiresome by most if not all other posters I should think. Not everyone thinks the same as you and you are not here to correct our erroneous views. Discussion is the name of the game, sometimes even heated. But not prosletysing.

End of opinion.

 

[Waymarker]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

..One-track evangelising across all the forums will I think be viewed as rather tiresome by most if not all other posters..

I personally enjoy good debate and discussion, it's a great way of learning about and comparing other faiths, nothing offends or upsets me and I hope people won't pull their punches with me..

 

[Snoopy]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

I personally enjoy good debate and discussion, it's a great way of learning about and comparing other faiths, nothing offends or upsets me and I hope people won't pull their punches with me..

Alrighty!

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Re: Soul of Christianity, Atman of Hinduism and Anatman of Buddhism -A Reconcilliatio

Originally Posted by bhaktajan
Referring to Krishna devotees as "Hare Krishnas"
is like referring to Christains as "Our Fathers"
or like referring to Mohamedians as "Bishma-Allahs"
Hare Krishna is part of the mantra-prayer chanted on their Japa (rosary) beads during daily meditation prayers.
Hindu Hare Krishnas are the equivilant of Jewish Hassidim.
Hare Krishnas are the Hassidim of Hinduism.

So what do you call yourselves?

In the present 'age-of-Kali' the orthodox Hindu Scripture exclicitedly reveals that the only proper tapasya [yoga-penance] for this 'age-of-Kali' is Hari-Nama-Sankirtana [congretional chanting of God's Holy name; ie: Gospel Music/choir music].

"Hare Krishna" is the opening words of the Maha-Mantra [great-mantra for deliverance] for Kali-Yuga [the present ---and last of 4 consecutive Epochs] ---the 16-syllable "Maha-Mantra" is:

"Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare"

The Hare Krishnas are best known IMO as
the "Krishna Consciousness Movement"**
---Why? Because the mandate is to spread/propagate the name, fame, form, personality, paraphenalia, entourage & pastimes of none other than the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Bhagavan, Shree Krishna.

This is pinicale of Yogic Mysticism.
This is the essence of the varied dharma(s) of the personalities who lives are meantioned in the pages Maha-Bharata.
This is priceless Crown Jewel of India's gift to world history.
Is is the Goal itself of Yoga.

So to call Hare Krishnas, "Hare Krishnas" is to chant the Maha-mantra.

So call us Hare Krishnas to your hearts content.

To call-out the name of one's beloved even in a state of hapless deepsleep in the ocean of maya & samsara ---is more subtile & profound then any carnal grunts and whistles and yelps and mundane declarations. That is why it is called the Maha-mantra.



[**btw, this not my coinage, this term has been always been referenced as such]