Sex is no problem. Love is.

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From a eulogy on the passing of Fr Matthew Kealty.

Fr. Thomas Merton, a Trappist monk out of the Abbey of Gethsemani in the US, died over 40 years ago. Fr Matthew Kealty, of the same congregation, made his transitus less than four weeks ago.

Both, in their own way, were remarkable men. Both, in their own way, struggled with the question of sexuality, or more precisely, celibacy.

Merton's early life was not an easy one. His mother died in 1921 when he was only six years old. His father left him the following year, in pursuit of an unlikely romance. At 13, he was reunited with his father, who passed away of a brain tumor, leaving Thomas an orphan.

Thomas Merton became the most prolific writer American Catholicism has ever produced, but he was always unsettled, restless; never, it seems, really content. He was toying with the idea of leaving Gethsemani, and possibly leaving the monastic life altogether, having fallen in love with a local nurse, Margie Smith. A singular mark of her character is that she never, in the decades following Merton's death, said a public word about their relationship.

Merton was granted permission to leave the Abbey for a trip to the Far East in the spring of 1968. Ostensibly to give a lecture in Bangkok on comparative monasticism and mysticism, there was much more to the trip than that, as his published journals now reveal. He left Gethsemani without saying goodbye to anyone. By all accounts, suffering from exhaustion, his lecture was a rather poor performance. His final public words were "Now I will disappear" and, retiring to his room for a nap, was later found electrocuted in his bath.

Fr Matthew Kealty, the same age as Merton, had served as Merton's confessor in those final, tumultuous years at Gethsemani. Kealty knew that something was up, and he expressed the sinking sense that, on the day of his departure, he would not see his friend again.

The two men were contrasted in so many ways, not least by Merton's spiritual restlessness and deep unhappiness, Kealty's easy contentment and quiet grace.

Fr Kealty joined Gethsemani late, and found Merton in charge of the novices. He recalls the way Merton encouraged the new monks to find their own forms of artistic expression, in whatever form.

Like Merton, he left Gethsemani for a time; unlike Merton, he always intended to return.

In his 90th year, Fr Matthew Kealty 'outed' himself as being homosexual. The epilogue of a book of spiritual texts was entitled "Celibacy and the Gift of Gay." He had decided to attempt to describe what gifts gay Christians have to contribute to the complex tapestry of Christian communion. He did so because he had come to feel a responsibility to those "least among us" who were not moving on a path toward acceptance in as straight a line as many in the late '60s and early '70s had hoped.

But you also hear more than a subtle echo of what the confessor had learned from Merton's heterosexual torment.

"It remains true that given our national climate, it will take a while to let love loose. And then to let love grow, deeper, greater, wider."

"I may as well make it clear: ...[this] is why so many heterosexuals abandon celibacy after a decade or two: they cannot handle it: they need an external woman to awaken the inner one, especially in our culture. Perhaps in a less divided one they do better... "

"And since those who tend to worry will worry here about sex, the answer is simple: sex is no problem. Love is. Where there is no love you can expect sex to emerge. All men want love, celibates too. Sex can be one way of loving, but it is absurd to say: no sex is no love, as absurd as saying sex is love."

"A celibate priesthood, community, is a grace for the Church, a song of the Kingdom (where there will be no marriage but all will be whole),and a joy for all in it. There are none more called to it, more capable of it, more created for it, than the people we call gay. They begin from day one a process of integration others do not even have a hint of before they are 40. Bless them!"
(My Song is of Mercy, 258-259)

"The meeting of the bride within is not had merely for the asking. Her hand must be won; love of her must be proven. Heroic effort is taken as a matter of course... Notwithstanding many find her, and these are the people who have truly lived. It is these who know God and who will see his face because they know what love is."

The question of celibacy is discussed often on too shallow a level, the mystical level is dismissed. To do that is to reduce celibacy to an act of prowess which as likely as not can end only in ruining the person. Celibacy without a deep love affair is a disaster. It is not even celibacy. It's just not getting married. It's not an acceptance of anything, it is meaningless self-denial.

Sex is no problem. Love is. So celibacy is badly misunderstood if it is imagined as an unmarried life without sex. That just re-inscribes the sex obsessions of our own day.

Celibacy is a love affair — with God. That's what you get from Father Matthew Kealty; that's what you get from the saints and the mystics.

God bless,

Thomas
 
Darned if I am not confused. Both of these gents seem to be spokespersons for aboloshing celibacy as a requirement.

Celibacy is great, as a choice. But not as a requirement. As a requirement it makes folks fell less worthy when they struggle, Paul comes to mind.

To me belief that one cannot love G!d and another is lack mentality. We are more capable than that, as one can love their parents, their siblings, their spouse, their children, and their grandchildren....it is undeniable we can love more than one.
 
they need an external woman to awaken the inner one

awwwww, that just makes my heart melt.

Actually, that isn't quite right. It makes me feel sexually aroused. It's a very erotic statement ........ perhaps even pornographic.:D:eek:

How exciting it is to know that if there doesn't seem to be a woman in your life, there is at least one in your own imagination!!!!

Living in reality, living in fantasy ....... as long as the feeling is the same, it doesn't really matter. You can fall in love with your imaginary girlfriend, marry her, live with her and sleep with her. You can make love to her, touch her, feel her, kiss her ......... all inside your head. No real women will be harmed in the process.

You don't have to be faithful. You can cheat as often as you like in your imagination, living out the Casanova you always wanted to be.

Oh, how I would love to write a story right here of where my imagination might go ........... including all the gruesome details. My self-control is holding me back.
 
Darned if I am not confused. Both of these gents seem to be spokespersons for abolishing celibacy as a requirement.
Not quite, I think, rather they probably recognise it as the Orthodox do, a grace, or charism, not given to all, and not 'conferred' upon the person who becomes a priest by the rite of ordination.

In the Orthodox world, celibacy is not required of a priest, it is a vocation, recognised in those called to the priesthood, the monastery, and the lay state.

Thus married priests, but once ordained the single man cannot marry (I think), and a married priest cannot rise above that station — bishops are elected from the celibate.

Thomas Merton certainly struggled with it, and had an affair. Matthew Kealty did not, and recognised that the discussion of celibacy, when centred on the issue of sex, misses the point. Celibacy is not about not about not being allowed to have sex, that's a relatively modern debate in a culture where the celibate state is regarded as unnatural, and sex (not love) is everything.

Celibacy is great, as a choice. But not as a requirement.
And many elect that life, in orders and out, indeed in religion, and out — celibacy is prized in Buddhism, and continence and abstinence is a marker, not a requirement, in all spiritual traditions.

The point is, as Fr Kealty makes, it's not a matter of choice, it's a matter of disposition.

As a requirement it makes folks fell less worthy when they struggle, Paul comes to mind.
I agree. If one feels that way then one's missing the point.

To me belief that one cannot love G!d and another is lack mentality.
Again agreed. But that is love, not sex, and one does not have to have sex to be in love, nor is love deficient if there is no sex.

My partner once told me that my relationship with God was like another lover in the relationship. It is not without strain, and that strain will be present in a married priesthood, so removing the requirement for celibacy is not a universal solution to anything ... it will just highlight different issues.

We are more capable than that, as one can love their parents, their siblings, their spouse, their children, and their grandchildren....it is undeniable we can love more than one.
Yes, but you don't have sex with them, that's the point! Even some married couples choose the celibate state.

And the celibate can and indeed do love. One might say the celibate chooses to love all, equally, but that doesn't validate having sex with everyone!

The celibate embodies the second directive of Christ and the Abrahamic Tradition, but that is not to say the non-celibate does not.

I am mindful of the doctor who identified the SARS virus at its outset, who isolated the ward in which the first victims were discovered, and sacrificed his own life in their care as he sought a cure for the problem. He left a wife and children.

Does not the soldier make that choice? Does not anyone who undertakes a risky venture in the cause of the community, at the expense of his own family?

It's not a question of love. It's a question of sex, when looked at that way ... when looked at it the other, it's a question of love, not sex.

For those so called, the love of God and the love of neighbour is sufficient in itself.

God bless,

Thomas
 
Actually, that isn't quite right. It makes me feel sexually aroused. It's a very erotic statement ........ perhaps even pornographic.:D:eek:
Mr Saltmeister, I do believe you're pulling my plonker, as we Brits say! :p

Dude, you need therapy! :D

How exciting it is to know that if there doesn't seem to be a woman in your life, there is at least one in your own imagination!!!!
Yep, but you can't beat the real thing. ;)

Living in reality, living in fantasy ....... as long as the feeling is the same, it doesn't really matter. You can fall in love with your imaginary girlfriend, marry her, live with her and sleep with her. You can make love to her, touch her, feel her, kiss her ......... all inside your head. No real women will be harmed in the process.
C'mon! Where do blow up dolls fit in this scenario? Or what happens when you say the wrong name at the wrong moment? :(

You don't have to be faithful. You can cheat as often as you like in your imagination, living out the Casanova you always wanted to be.
Until someone finds your stash of magazines. :eek: D'you know, a friend told me yesterday that when she was a kid she found her father's stash hidden in her toy cupboard! Go figure!!!

Oh, how I would love to write a story right here of where my imagination might go ........... including all the gruesome details. My self-control is holding me back.
Good man! But if you falter, there are certain publishers who would rush you into print if you can it al together.

Listen to me, 'publishers', what an old fart! Get a script, get a camera, put an ad in the locals and you're away! There's a market out there ... the domestic video boom was powered by it!

And the web! Heavens above!

God bless,

Thomas
 
Again agreed. But that is love, not sex, and one does not have to have sex to be in love, nor is love deficient if there is no sex.


And the celibate can and indeed do love. One might say the celibate chooses to love all, equally, but that doesn't validate having sex with everyone!

The celibate embodies the second directive of Christ and the Abrahamic Tradition, but that is not to say the non-celibate does not.
But isn't the title of the whoe thing and his contention that sex is no problem....love is. And stating as a priest you must be married to and love G!D?

Now you are saying love is no problem sex is??

And are you saying the second fellow never acted on his gay tendencies? He came out of the closet? You aren't in the closet if you haven't had sex? Can you even be gay if you haven't had sex? Or heterosexual for that matter? If you haven't had sex.....gosh confused again...

Second directive of Christ?

Love your neighbor as yourself?
 
But isn't the title of the whole thing and his contention that sex is no problem....love is.
No. The misunderstanding of what love is, is the problem. People today equate love with sex. Thank you, the 60's. Free love is basically sex without obligation or responsibility.

That's not love. That's rutting.

And stating as a priest you must be married to and love G!D?
No, you must love God and your neighbour. Someone who loves God and not his neighbour will not make a good priest. Someone who loves his neighbour and not God makes a worse one.

Now you are saying love is no problem sex is??
No, I'm saying sex is a problem when there is no love. It's self gratification at best, abuse of power at its worst.

And are you saying the second fellow never acted on his gay tendencies?
You mean did he have sexual relations? No, as far as we know, he didn't. And I tend to think he'd be honest enough about it if he did.

He came out of the closet?
Yes ... if I bother to think about it, I probably know a couple of very good, gay priests. The sexual orientation of a priest, or anyone for that matter, is not a problem for me. It becomes a problem when a deception, and especially so when it's a cover.

I'm sure most women have no problems with their gyno, unless he's using that position to get his hand inside their knickers.

I'd have a problem with a doctor, whatever gender, who'd ask to see my genitals when I'm there because I've broken my wrist. I had no problem, having reached that age, when a doctor suggested a prostate examination might be advisable. As long as he's quick about it ... but if I hear him/her breathing heavily behind me, I've a few martial arts tricks up my sleeve ...

You aren't in the closet if you haven't had sex?
You think you're not properly gay unless you have?

Can you even be gay if you haven't had sex?
What?

Or heterosexual for that matter? If you haven't had sex.....gosh confused again...
Am I reading you right? D'you think you have to do it, to be it?

Second directive of Christ?
Love your neighbour as yourself?
That's what the man said.

Have I got my wires crossed here?

God bless,

Thomas
 
Love and sex besides intelligence are important aspects of our rapid and overwhelming evolution to the dominant species.

Sex is important to mix genes and cycle mutated genes in the physical success of evolution.

In the social evolution of humankind, one of the great successes was the family. A pair of humans raising a child through a long childhood led to a major part of our success.

This necessitated that parents of a new offspring would remain together throughout the duration of the offspring's childhood. Other animals may have the male desert his female mate who must raise the child alone. To succeed the child has a shorter education because the mother moves on to another mate later on.

How do a male father and female mother remain together for so long? It works best if they remain together until the child reaches early adulthood full trained in social skills, and acquiring the knowledge of the adults.

Love is part of the pair bonding of father and mother to remain together long enough to raise the child. However, love sometimes is not enough. Continued sex is an adjunct that fortifies the human family. Normally most primates have sex only when the female is in heat. In human apes, male and female mother can continue to have sex almost independent of the woman's menstrual cycle. Continued sex regularly tends to reinforce love. Love aids in continued sexuality. They are mutually supportive and together lead in a major way to the success of human children.

Sex is physical, enjoyable, and emotional.

Love is emotional, mental more than physical.

Together they bind into a physically pleasing and emotionally pleasing bond of the human family's evolutionary success.

Celibacy is an abnormal state in most me, in my opinion. It may result from a weak libido, a dysfunctional gender orientation (leading to priesthood to avoid normal gender selection), or perhaps an extreme religiosity could lead a man to a non-reproductive and evolutionarily dysfunctional individual (ending his particular branch on the tree.)

Perhaps the Love-sex factor has led to the extreme success in procreation of humans. We now are in danger of catastrophic overpopulation. How do we curtail the natural traits that lead to procreation?

Amergin

Overpopulation could be worse.

"Without Christian war and executions in the last two millennia, Europe might be disastrously overcrowded" - me
 
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