When did Jews become monotheist?

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mojobadshah

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Ok... so up until now I thought that it wasn't until Isaiah that the Jews became blatantly monotheist, but then I came across this passage:

Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him. - Deuteronomy 4:35

What gives?
 
i think you're getting a bit confused here. the idea that judaism meant monotheism goes back to abraham at the minimum. abraham is in fact considered by us to be the first jew and, in many ways, the first monotheist. abraham pioneered the monotheist's relationship to G!D in contradistinction to the power/reward relationship favoured by his polytheist contemporaries. the trouble is that it took such a long time to get the message out that we really really mean it about the monotheism - and the no image rule. abraham's family intermarried with many polytheists (i suppose it was kind of unavoidable) and indeed polytheistic was a feature of our formative period as a people in egypt - it took us a very long time indeed to rid ourselves of those bad habits, as the golden calf episode ought to show. similarly, most of the people indulged in non-monotheistic beliefs and practices throughout the period of the judges and the early kings. what i think you have not understood, however, is that monotheism is by definition what judaism was always trying to get across; it was never acceptable in judaism to be polytheistic, but it was very much nonetheless the reality of people's lives, to the despair of the prophets, whose message is beleaguered and aggrieved but defiant in this context. monotheism was the aspiration and the goal, but rarely, at least until after the destruction of the first Temple, the everyday normality.

polytheism was never something that was acceptable according to the Torah and it is this that we must remember, not seek to hold up the actual behaviour of the people as representative of what was right, as it says: "in those days there was no king in israel; everyone did what was right in their own eyes".

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
The intermediate position is called "henotheism" by the anthropologists: this is the view that there are many gods, but one God who is supreme above all the others. There are some confusing variants: sometimes several different gods will be addressed in their hymns as "supreme" (as if it's only polite to call Apollo supreme when you're talking to him, and Zeus supreme when you're talking to him, etc.) and these multiple "supreme" gods may then start to be identified with each other (in Egypt we get hyphenated gods like Amon-Ra, "Amon" god of truth and "Ra" god of the sun not originally having anything to do with each other, but becoming identified since both were "supreme"; Horus, Atum, and others also got identified with Ra).

But the pure kind of henotheism where the Supreme God is sharply distinguished from all others was reasonably common in the Middle East. Abraham is recorded as visiting the shrine at Jerusalem (then still called Uru Shaliym) of El 'Elyon which is translated "God Almighty" in the King James but really means "God Supreme" ('elyon being from the same root as 'al, the preposition "on" or adverb "up"). In the prophets we often find the view that the other "gods" are not subordinate to the one true God, but are totally unreal, their statues being just helpless blocks of wood of no meaning; but in the psalms we often find the view that there is a council of "sons" of God, also of "divine" rank but just not as high. What position Abraham held we cannot really know.
 
Ok... so up until now I thought that it wasn't until Isaiah that the Jews became blatantly monotheist, but then I came across this passage:

Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him. - Deuteronomy 4:35

What gives?


As a People, the Jews have been monotheists since Abraham left Ur of the Caldeans. But, individually, the temptation to experience pagan polytheism had been a serious problem throughout History till the rise of the prophets, when things took a turn to more serious preservation of Jewish spirituality due to periodical cleansing of the evil element among the People, as for instance the cleasing work of Elijah with regards to the "Jews-for-Baal" when about 850 of their prophets were executed by order of Elijah in the brook Kishon at Mount Carmel. (I Kings 18:19,40)
Ben
 
i think you're getting a bit confused here. the idea that judaism meant monotheism goes back to abraham at the minimum. abraham is in fact considered by us to be the first jew and, in many ways, the first monotheist. abraham pioneered the monotheist's relationship to G!D in contradistinction to the power/reward relationship favoured by his polytheist contemporaries. the trouble is that it took such a long time to get the message out that we really really mean it about the monotheism - and the no image rule. abraham's family intermarried with many polytheists (i suppose it was kind of unavoidable) and indeed polytheistic was a feature of our formative period as a people in egypt - it took us a very long time indeed to rid ourselves of those bad habits, as the golden calf episode ought to show. similarly, most of the people indulged in non-monotheistic beliefs and practices throughout the period of the judges and the early kings. what i think you have not understood, however, is that monotheism is by definition what judaism was always trying to get across; it was never acceptable in judaism to be polytheistic, but it was very much nonetheless the reality of people's lives, to the despair of the prophets, whose message is beleaguered and aggrieved but defiant in this context. monotheism was the aspiration and the goal, but rarely, at least until after the destruction of the first Temple, the everyday normality.

polytheism was never something that was acceptable according to the Torah and it is this that we must remember, not seek to hold up the actual behaviour of the people as representative of what was right, as it says: "in those days there was no king in israel; everyone did what was right in their own eyes".

b'shalom

bananabrain


Superb post Bananabrain, I can't agree with you more.
Ben
 
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