Drug Dependency

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Anyone got drug dependency experience? Not for me I hasten to add.

A friend of mine started smoking weed a few months ago. It began as "recreational fun" (if you can call it that. Last month they stopped smoking for 10 days because they noticed they had smoked every day for a month.

Just spent 2 days with my friend and the first day they were stoned all day and the second day their mood was really low. I could tell they were aggitated and needed a 'pick me up'. Have tried suggesting this is getting to be problem but I get the usual "I am in control and can stop any time' nonesense.

I called today and guess what .... stoned!!!

I realise nothing I say can make them realise their personality is changing and quality of life suffering but is ther anything I can do to make them see themselves through someone elses eyes?

Any help appreciated as this person is soon going to start damaging their life with this problem.
 
Hi MW,

Good luck with your friend. I've done some work in a drug dependency unit but I think I'd refer to the professionals for guidance and help on this. Just be supportive and patient with you friend.

Two places to start:

The NHS Choices website. Search for 'Drug Misuse.'

The FRANK website (recommended by the NHS).
Taken from the site:

Talking to them is a good place to start. But be very careful how you do this as drugs can be a sensitive topic to bring up.

Also, you may want to let them know about the risks of using cannabis:

You can become psychologically dependent
It can lead to isolation and a lack of motivation
Its illegal and you risk getting in trouble with the law
A good way to phrase the info above could be, 'Did you know that...' If you don't feel comfortable talking to them, then perhaps encourage them to call FRANK or visit this site.
 
i used to be addicted to nicotine, smoked loads of weed and drank loads of booze.

the hardest to give up was smoking, smoking a bit of weed is not neccesarily a bad thing
 
i used to be addicted to nicotine, smoked loads of weed and drank loads of booze.

the hardest to give up was smoking, smoking a bit of weed is not neccesarily a bad thing
It's a roulette wheel.

smoking marijuana....

It makes about 90% lethargic, lazy, some even tired to sleeping.

One could get giggly, stupid, inability to think clearly temporarily (or long term, depending on long term use)

For a few it makes them creative, active, although the energy is not always efficiently directed and much of what seems quite creative and interesting in the light of day withers a bit or a lot.

Then you got this range of folks....

those that will pick it up, use occasionally, recreationaly, socially.

those that will use it as a fad, and move on.

those that will use it chronically, and a waste a lot of money.

those that it will have very little effect on, despite their use.

those that will move onto harder drugs due to association with folks in that world.

those that will become mentally incapacitated by use of those harder drugs

those who will lose their jobs, drop out of school or be otherwise negatively affected socially by its use.


that's the roulette wheel....

there is no way to know where the ball will drop...

I try to ask folks if it is really worth the risk....

how can I say any of the above? I'm describing 4 decades of being inside and outside of the world, knowing users and seeing the long and short term results.
 
Hey MW, good to see you!

Marijuana is pretty insidious because of its social acceptance and mild effects, but it definitely affects the cognitive centers of the brain. Those that I know smoke it regularly aren't aware of this, but their behavior can become aggressive or at least quite irritable if they are out of weed.
Recently I smoked it every day for restless leg syndrome, as pot is legal here in Colorado for medical purposes. Now that I'm on Requip and not smoking anymore my cognitive skills and emotional competencies are back to normal.

About the only thing you can do is tell your friend about what you observe and how it makes you feel. If there is any cognitive dissonance within them at all this could at least get them to start thinking in a different direction.
Are there any twelve step groups in your area?
 
According to the European drug advisory peeps, 60% of the UK adult population admits to having experimented with drugs.

The figures are much the same in the rest of Europe, too.

Most of those 60% do not become addicts; 20% of them try it once or twice and don't bother again, and 40% of them become recreational drug users. They consider drugs to be fun, much like alcohol, an adjunct to parties and artistic endeavours. Of that 40% of recreational users, only 5% of recreational drug users develop "problematic drug use". Most of those have additional social, psychological and educational attainment issues and use drugs like a person with severe illness uses medicine.

Most people smoke weed and drop a few pills during their college years, they grow out of it, and they have no long term ill effects. Taking drugs is a rite-of-passage, and when drugs are used recreationally, by students and art teachers and musicians, then drugs are not a problem for individuals or society, and criminalising such behaviour is counterproductive.

Cannabis is a short-acting, mild hallucinogen, and most people who are deemed to be "addicted" to cannabis are "psychologically addicted" rather than physically addicted. Their problematic cannabis use is a behavioural issue, not a physical issue. They won't die or get sick if they give it up, (like alcoholics and heroin addicts do), they don't feel so bad without it that they go out selling their bodies or they commit crime to fund their drug use, but they might feel... bored, and restless, for a few hours.

Of course, being around pot-smokers when you're not a pot-smoker is... boring. People make no sense, they rant polemics, they create bad art, they seem... sedated. That's because cannabis is a hallucinogen; it makes people seem slightly psychotic. That's what hallucinogens do, in their different strengths. Some people like to feel like that!

There has, in the past ten years, been a lot of consideration given to the possibility that regular cannabis smoking predisposes a person to experiencing psychotic illness. Some scientists suggest that long term, regular use of cannabis may exacerbate psychotic illnesses in people who are predisposed to such, but I personally think these statements are scare tactics, the use of such supposedly to enforce a "no-drugs" mindset.

Of course, drugs and mental illness don't mix; but I do not believe that we can state that drugs cause mental illness -- the causes of mental illness are far more diverse than simply... "oh, he smoked pot, once, when he was 18"...

It does appear that habitual smokers' behaviour, when they've run out of cannabis, changes, and they seem... agitated, and agressive, but this is because while high on cannabis, normal fears and anxieties are muted.
Get used to taking cannabis, for more than 10 days, stop it, suddenly, and when the cannabis levels in the brain drop, those normal fears and anxieties seem magnified. This can make people "stroppy", and aggressive. This behaviour is magnified in young men, who are naturally aggressive anyway, thanks to the testosterone, and leads some parents to become anxious that their children are developing psychosis, but the agressiveness wears off in a day or two and a person will have no long-term side effects.

Cannabis is a drug that, while abused, also has great potential as a healing agent for people with numerous real, physical illnesses. Preparations of cannabis are used to treat.... multiple sclerosis, side effects of chemotherapy, side effects of aids therapies, glaucoma, and... there's a big list. Oils from cannabis are great skin softeners, cannabis (hemp) makes a great organic fibre, etc, etc...

The brain itself actually has cannabinoid receptors. Unlike "opiate receptors", that are used by the body's natural opiate-like neurotransmitters, the body does not actually create it's own cannabinoids, and has to obtain them from outside to stimulate them. Which is interesting, is it not?

Culturally, cannabis is used by many religions and groups as a ... meditation, or spiritual aid. Sufi's, assassins, Siva-worshippers, Rastafarians, Pagans, all have used cannabis, ritually, historically, allegedly, as a way to become... closer to God...

My opinion is, though, that maybe you shouldn't be so ... imposing, on someone you decree is a friend. You can't change other people's behaviour by talking at them. But if you cannot abide their behaviour, and value them as a friend, I think you should be able to say, to a friend... "Look, my friend; when I come to visit, I'd prefer you to be straight/sober/not using?"

If they don't, or can't, or won't, stop visiting. That's all you can do!
 
Most of those 60% do not become addicts; 20% of them try it once or twice and don't bother again, and 40% of them become recreational drug users. They consider drugs to be fun, much like alcohol, an adjunct to parties and artistic endeavours. Of that 40% of recreational users, only 5% of recreational drug users develop "problematic drug use". Most of those have additional social, psychological and educational attainment issues and use drugs like a person with severe illness uses medicine.
Interesting stats, and more interesting the way they are used. Continuing to refer to the total population while discussing the 60% is baffling. So if I understand what you are saying, it is not 40% which become recreational users but 66% of those that try it become recreational users and 33% never use it again.

Now where does that 5% refer to...the study considers 'problematic drug use' to be in the 'recreational' category? again, interesting. But back to the 5% that would now be 8.33% of those that tried become problematic and 12.5% or one out of every eight 'recreational users' is 'problematic'.

One out of eight seems a little higher (hee hee) than the 5% doesn't it?

Is my understanding of what was being said wrong, and I wonder what the agenda in the study was to portray the numbers that way?
 
Another issue I've notice with pot is that people who have used it regularly since being young have not developed the coping strategies that come with maturity. In effect they stay at a relatively young age emotionally.
 
Another issue I've notice with pot is that people who have used it regularly since being young have not developed the coping strategies that come with maturity. In effect they stay at a relatively young age emotionally.

that's me!
 
Thanks everyone for your input, always such a helpful bunch.

They say they stopped 2 days ago when they realised they had smoked every day for 2 months (all day). InshaAllah they can stop but somehow I doubt it is that easy.

I understand the moods and the temper will begin from tomorrow when nothing is left in their system? ... oh joy.
 
shouldn't be an issue with pot...if they want to quit.

although most everyone I know that quit just got busy with other things and then just 'realized' they hadn't smoked in two months....
 
They say they stopped 2 days ago when they realised they had smoked every day for 2 months (all day).


smoking pot everyday

ah i used to that, used to get through an ounce a week.


u still hooked on nicotine MW ?
 
U guys talk as if using cannabis is like breathing air. It's a class B drug here. U have to be terminally ill to get that stuff. The smell makes me sick. N it makes ppl smell like dirty socks.
 
u still hooked on nicotine MW ?

Very good point and indeed I am but while it is slowly killing me it doesn't change my mental thinking (other than perhaps slowing it down?).

U guys talk as if using cannabis is like breathing air. It's a class B drug here. U have to be terminally ill to get that stuff. The smell makes me sick. N it makes ppl smell like dirty socks.

The problem is still going on. I have found out the drug being smoked is called skunk, which I believe is a very potent form of cannabis.

And I agree Shanzi, it's not as simple as saying "oh cannabis, no problem there"
 
MW,

My belief system says that even nicotine can be a very big problem, but not in the way you think. The way I see it, after we die, we will still have the same cravings we had in life. (Is there any reason to think our cravings will go away after we die?) Not only that, but my theory says our cravings will actually be stronger after we die (because such cravings will no longer need to be pushed through a physical body which deadens them). But we will not longer have a physical body with which to satisfy these cravings. You can see the future problem you may be facing.
 
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