Aisha r.a. and Her Marriage--Part Two

[Amica]

Salaam brother Abdullah,

You see, there is NOTHING to apologize about in regards to the Noble Qur'an and its language. Those who approach it with evil intention, will always "find" means to attack it. Those who wish to understand it, even when they "do not get it," will find understanding within it.

It is the Noble Qur'an that has been attracting non-Muslims to enter Islam. The hadiths usually come as a second place to further study and understand the religious practices, but certainly the hadiths DO NOT attract people to Islam. This is just the fact. At least, in regards to new Muslims that I have met or learned about. At least in the West. I am not sure about the Middle East, but many who have decided to read and study the Noble Qur'an among the Westerners have converted to Islam because of it. I am always reminded of the group of the jinn who, once they heard the Qur'anic reading, they accepted Islam as the true and went to call their tribes to the faith.

But, like I have said many times, there are hadiths that help us, teach us good things and explain how to conduct religious practices. Majority of the times, these are in accordance with the Qur'anic teachings.

Practices like the ones I mentioned earlier are not islamic and have been infiltrated into the Muslim community with NO Qur'anic backing. For example, stoning for adultery IS not in the Qur'an. Whether stoning was practiced by early Muslims prior to the commandments of punishment for adultery or not is besides the point. It is because if Allah SWT meant to change a commandment, He would have done it. And it is unlike our beloved Prophet pbuh, to change Allah's laws.

 

[donnann]

Salaam brother Abdullah,

You see, there is NOTHING to apologize about in regards to the Noble Qur'an and its language. Those who approach it with evil intention, will always "find" means to attack it. Those who wish to understand it, even when they "do not get it," will find understanding within it.

It is the Noble Qur'an that has been attracting non-Muslims to enter Islam. The hadiths usually come as a second place to further study and understand the religious practices, but certainly the hadiths DO NOT attract people to Islam. This is just the fact. At least, in regards to new Muslims that I have met or learned about. At least in the West. I am not sure about the Middle East, but many who have decided to read and study the Noble Qur'an among the Westerners have converted to Islam because of it. I am always reminded of the group of the jinn who, once they heard the Qur'anic reading, they accepted Islam as the true and went to call their tribes to the faith.

But, like I have said many times, there are hadiths that help us, teach us good things and explain how to conduct religious practices. Majority of the times, these are in accordance with the Qur'anic teachings.

Practices like the ones I mentioned earlier are not islamic and have been infiltrated into the Muslim community with NO Qur'anic backing. For example, stoning for adultery IS not in the Qur'an. Whether stoning was practiced by early Muslims prior to the commandments of punishment for adultery or not is besides the point. It is because if Allah SWT meant to change a commandment, He would have done it. And it is unlike our beloved Prophet pbuh, to change Allah's laws.

He has not changed the commandment thou shalt not murder. A stone in symbolic meaning is knowledge . It doesnt mean to heave rocks at someone and murder them. Some of the scriptures were written symbolically but the commandments were written literally. So if someone were to murder a woman because she commited adultry he violates gods commandment thou shalt not kill. If he were to symbolically stone her that means to educate her as to why adultry is wrong as jesus did with mary magdalene and if you noticed jesus didnt allow men to stone women cause it was wrong. You have to reason scripture with a divine mind or you come out sinning against god and making him look evil. He would never in any case tell you to take someone elses life. Thats the truth. Do you follow this way of thinking in Islam? I see so much violence in that religion.

 

[Abdullah]

if thats true it is because Muslims are breeding, the mosques are not full of converts far from it.

there is indeed high numbers of births in the muslim community, but Islam also happens to be the fastest gorwing in terms of convertion as well; i'll provide just two links regarding the uk and usa, and similar numbers of conversion can be seen throughout the world:

20000 Americans Convert to Islam Every Year - YouTube

100,000 Islam converts living in UK: White women most keen to embrace Muslim faith | Mail Online

 

[Abdullah]

mmm but mohamed the founder of islam sanctioned be
headings this is historical fact look up the battle of basra.

that is true and you know why?; because beheading is the less painfull way to carry out capital punishment; when the blade is sharp and the head is severed with one blow; death is instantaneous; thus the act itself is the most humane way of putting someone to death and seemingly it is a brutal act which fulfills the purpose of death sentences being a detterant; far better than poisoning and electrifying; both these methods infact are very painfull and the one of poisoning just seemigly puts one to sleep; this does not serve the purpose of detterent as it should; many a criminals may think, i'm only gonna be put to a nice sleep!

 

[Abdullah]

Salaam brother Abdullah,

You see, there is NOTHING to apologize about in regards to the Noble Qur'an and its language. Those who approach it with evil intention, will always "find" means to attack it. Those who wish to understand it, even when they "do not get it," will find understanding within it.

It is the Noble Qur'an that has been attracting non-Muslims to enter Islam. The hadiths usually come as a second place to further study and understand the religious practices, but certainly the hadiths DO NOT attract people to Islam. This is just the fact.

MashAllah; if the Quran does the job; thats what it's for!

At least, in regards to new Muslims that I have met or learned about. At least in the West. I am not sure about the Middle East, but many who have decided to read and study the Noble Qur'an among the Westerners have converted to Islam because of it. I am always reminded of the group of the jinn who, once they heard the Qur'anic reading, they accepted Islam as the true and went to call their tribes to the faith.

But, like I have said many times, there are hadiths that help us, teach us good things and explain how to conduct religious practices. Majority of the times, these are in accordance with the Qur'anic teachings.

Practices like the ones I mentioned earlier are not islamic and have been infiltrated into the Muslim community with NO Qur'anic backing. For example, stoning for adultery IS not in the Qur'an. Whether stoning was practiced by early Muslims prior to the commandments of punishment for adultery or not is besides the point. It is because if Allah SWT meant to change a commandment, He would have done it. And it is unlike our beloved Prophet pbuh, to change Allah's laws.

how do you know that the Quran is not distorted Sis? ; because a verse in it says that it is divinely protected/; well how do you know that that verse itself is not distorted; yes there are lots of evidence thats suggests they're not, but the absolute undeniable evidence is, that word again; mutawatir! ; mass-transmission, i.e, so many people have transmitted it that it would virtually be impossible for them to have colluded to tell a lie; it's like world war 2; we have not been there and seen it with our own eyes, but it's events have been transmitted by so many eyewitnesses and people in every generation, that to suspect they have colluded to tell a lie would be denial of the worst type, thus we can be sure it happened; similarly we can be sure the Quran is the original!

and guess what!? ; yup thats right; stoning hadiths are mass transmitted too, thus it's legal and creedal considerations are akin to the Quran, in other words, it's rejection is kufr!

the stoning principle has been explained so many times before Sis, and i'm not about to go through all that again, however i'll just quickly mention the basic understanding factor here which is, the zina [illegal intercourse] punishment mentioned in the Quran refers to fornication, and the hadith elucidates the one of adultery


and Sis, no matter how much you hate Islam, do us a favour and try not to be that nasty; affilliating something like 'honour killings' with hadith

 

[Abdullah]

and guess what!? ; yup thats right; stoning hadiths are mass transmitted too

Stoning for adultery is mass-transmitted from the Prophet, upon him peace, both as verbal injunction (Hadith "The child belongs to the household where he is born and the adulterer gets stones") and actual deed (stoning of Maa`iz ibn Maalik, Allah be well-pleased with him) cf. al-Kattani, Nazm al-Mutanathir (p. 105-106 §181-182).

Stoning Verses and Abrogation

 

[donnann]

Stoning for adultery is mass-transmitted from the Prophet, upon him peace, both as verbal injunction (Hadith "The child belongs to the household where he is born and the adulterer gets stones") and actual deed (stoning of Maa`iz ibn Maalik, Allah be well-pleased with him) cf. al-Kattani, Nazm al-Mutanathir (p. 105-106 §181-182).

Stoning Verses and Abrogation

I once bought a book called signs and symbols of the holy bible. In that book it showed what the meaning of the symbols were such as stones. A stone represents knowledge of some sort. To take scripture totally literally would be to label god as evil and there would be no hope for salvation. As I said before in scripture a stoneing is to impart knowledge to the sinner so that the person doesnt sin anymore. It destroys the sin not the sinner. I believe this is why jesus is so important. His actions reflect these true meanings of scripture. The scriptures are called the holy scriptures not the unholy scriptures. You must reason them in an unholy way even when your carnal mind tells you that something in them means one thing you have to look at them and think....god is good ...he must mean something else by this . Then and only then is it a holy book and then will you become a holy man.

 

[koranist]

TheThe Pharisees justified child rape by explaining that a boy of nine years was not a “man” (See, "Judaism and Homosexuality: A Marriage Made in Hell") Thus they exempted him from God’s Mosaic Law: “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination” (Lev. 18:22) One passage in the Talmud gives permission for a woman who molested her young son to marry a high priest. It concludes, “All agree that the connection of a boy aged nine years and a day is a real connection; whilst that of one less than eight years is not." 5 Because a boy under 9 is sexually immature, he can't "throw guilt" on the active offender, morally or legally. 6

A woman could molest a young boy without questions of morality even being raised: "…the intercourse of a small boy is not regarded as a sexual act." 7 The Talmud also says, "A male aged nine years and a day who cohabits with his deceased brother's wife acquires her (as wife)." 8 Clearly, the Talmud teaches that a woman is permitted to marry and have sex with a nine year old boy.

http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/p...liasecret.html

The hadith about Aisha and her being nine was a way to legalize this Judaic Babylonian tradition and introduce it into Islam. The Koran says we are not to marry the pagans and says that a believing women or man are better in marriage and also says we are not to marry adulterers. A nine year old can never apply any of that since she or he will be too immature to make a distinction.​

 

[Amica]

Abdullah you said: "and Sis, no matter how much you hate Islam, do us a favour and try not to be that nasty; affilliating something like 'honour killings' with hadith." EXCUSE ME??????? WHERE did you gather "facts" that I hate Islam? All my life I have been a Muslim and do everything in my power to defend it with as much knowledge as Allah SWT has allowed me to have? And WHO ARE YOU to tell me that I hate my own religion?! "Hate" means when one destroys because of it. If you call "hate" the fact that I am speaking my mind because of unislamic practices that Arabs follow, then YOU do not know Islam.

Also, Abudllah, you said: "how do you know that the Quran is not distorted Sis?" It is a dumb question on your part. #1 Qur'an has NO contradictions, #2 Hadiths have many contradictions, #3 Qur'an is the Word of Allah SWT, Revelation, #4 Hadiths are human product, #5 Qur'an is easy to remember, #6 Hadiths are hard to remember (have you ever met a hafiz of hadith?).

Besides, I think it is an insult on your part to compare human product (hadiths) with the Divine Revelation (Qur'an). Even the holy Prophet pbuh FORBID hadiths to be documented from him, at least that is as much as hadiths would admit surprisingly.

 

[Amica]

Oh, and your "affiliating honor killngs with hadiths," makes no sense. As a strong supporter of hadiths, Abdullah, (regardless whether they are fake or not, weak or strong, legitimate or illegitimate), you should know that hadiths support "honor" murders. And yes, I will call them murders, because they go against the Noble Qur'an.

"...We could even point them out to you if We wished, and then you could identify them by their marks, but you will know them anyway by the tone of their speech. Allah knows everything you (people) do." (Qur'an 47:29-30)

Indeed, Allah SWT is MOST wise, for we know some by their speech:they are provocateurs, incite violence and preach violence.