Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heaven?

[seattlegal]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

You suggest what I have shown you, ok.

Through what?

The Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path

 

[Lunitik]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

The Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path

Resulting in?

 

[seattlegal]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

Resulting in?

Freedom from suffering

No more strawmen please! (Misrepresenting what someone says is like bearing false witness. Can you say that is Dharma?)

 

[Lunitik]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

Freedom from suffering

Which is called?

 

[seattlegal]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

Which is called?

liberation

 

[Lunitik]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

The legend of Shangri-La is related to nirvana, it cannot be found because it is here and now but no one ever experiences herenow, they are too much distracted by past and future.

 

[Lunitik]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

liberation

You are being very stubborn.

 

[Etu Malku]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

Enlightenment is the transcendence of subject and object, how can it be subjective? All that experience, their descriptions are exactly the same in essence, so how can you say it is personal?

The definition of enlightenment is: deep insight into the meaning and purpose of all things, communication with or understanding of the mind of God, profound spiritual understanding or a fundamentally changed consciousness whereby everything is perceived as a unity.

 

[Lunitik]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

The definition of enlightenment is: deep insight into the meaning and purpose of all things, communication with or understanding of the mind of God, profound spiritual understanding or a fundamentally changed consciousness whereby everything is perceived as a unity.

Underlined is what I am trying to cause, welcome to the conversation.

 

[Etu Malku]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

Underlined is what I am trying to cause, welcome to the conversation.

Notice the word 'PERCEIVED'?
That is a subjectivity, a perception from our limited, physical view. It is different for everyone, there is no universal enlightenment, there is personal, individual enlightenment, no one's enlightenment is wrong or right.

 

[seattlegal]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

Notice the word 'PERCEIVED'?
That is a subjectivity, a perception from our limited, physical view. It is different for everyone, there is no universal enlightenment, there is personal, individual enlightenment, no one's enlightenment is wrong or right.

Buddhism claims that there are 88,000 dhamma doors. (88,000 being symbolic of innumerable)

To suggest there is only one way is to project all of your hang-ups onto everyone else.

 

[Lunitik]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

Notice the word 'PERCEIVED'?
That is a subjectivity, a perception from our limited, physical view. It is different for everyone, there is no universal enlightenment, there is personal, individual enlightenment, no one's enlightenment is wrong or right.

It is a dictionary definition, it is an intellectualization and you are going to use that to dispute something which is beyond mind? How can the experience of oneness differ? You are correct though, there is no right or wrong, this is another duality.

 

[Lunitik]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

Buddhism claims that there are 88,000 dhamma doors. (88,000 being symbolic of innumerable)

To suggest there is only one way is to project all of your hang-ups onto everyone else.

I have suggested nothing of the sort, I simply say that each door leads to the same house.

I am inviting all to join me in the house, it is not useful to discuss each door, I simply open one and say "come in". While inside, we can discuss our trip if you'd like, but there are comfortable couches and a warm fire inside, outside there is a storm that I wish all to get out of.

 

[Etu Malku]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

It is a dictionary definition, it is an intellectualization and you are going to use that to dispute something which is beyond mind? How can the experience of oneness differ? You are correct though, there is no right or wrong, this is another duality.

Well, we can't just start making up our own definitions can we? Or Can We?

 

[seattlegal]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

I have suggested nothing of the sort, I simply say that each door leads to the same house.

I am inviting all to join me in the house, it is not useful to discuss each door, I simply open one and say "come in".

I would much rather pick a door where I can get through without the lobotomy or borg implants, thanks.

 

[Lunitik]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

Well, we can't just start making up our own definitions can we? Or Can We?

I am simply saying the definition is irrelevant, I am showing you how to experience it.

Will you need to agree upon the definition of a car to get in? There is no need because you know what "car" means, you simply enter.

 

[Lunitik]

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I would much rather pick a door where I can get through without the lobotomy or borg implants, thanks.

The door I hold open has no prerequisites, there is no practice or preparation, it can let you in this very second... simply go into what I have presented earlier in the thread and you are inside by the fire.

Instead, you would rather learn from Buddha about how to behave, from Jesus how to serve others. Always there is a delay, there is no need to delay at all, you can simply enter but there is some sort of expectation that you will have to do certain things. It is all an idiocy, everything you are learning from these past masters is a result of their experience, experience yourself and these things arise as a byproduct.

 

[luecy7]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

I would much rather pick a door where I can get through without the lobotomy or borg implants, thanks.

So then you must be a cling-on, klinging to your mind and body?

 

[Lunitik]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

So then you must be a cling-on, klinging to your mind and body?

Again, in the experience, you realize you are not mind or body. What I have said causes the dropping of all clinging, it is a byproduct but the device I have presented is enough for that realization.

Of course, clinging will cause the device to be ineffective...

 

[luecy7]

Re: Was JESUS the only heavenly being to incarnate into the human community from heav

Again, in the experience, you realize you are not mind or body. What I have said causes the dropping of all clinging, it is a byproduct but the device I have presented is enough for that realization.

Of course, clinging will cause the device to be ineffective...

I know that I am not a computer or a car either, but it doesn't stop me from typing and driving.

In my view, you are like a rapist, a murderer, and a thief, with your understanding of cause. What you cause, is what you cause.