Heavenly Armies function and purpose

[Lunitik]

I agree with the ice crystal thing but the steam has to engage the ice as to not melt it but to merge with it making it a perfect thing .

The ice and steam are both false.

You have to realize you are simply an expression of the totality of energy which comprises all things. It is the same energy flowing through everything, and your true nature IS that energy.

The problem is the energy is directed into ice or steam and forgets it is already both.

 

[Lunitik]

True. The oneness does balance. The problem with the world is the imbalance of the male and female not only of living creatures but the elements themselves. So I completely agree.

There is no problem, it is exactly perfect because it is completely balanced. By trying to inject more good you only bring in more evil, for the balance must be maintained. This is the foolishness of man today...

It is because we look from the valley, we see the direct hustle and bustle of the bazaar and see no sense in anything - it seems random. We must go to the tip of the mountain, then we can see there is indeed a sense of order, patterns to everything. This is the beauty, but it depends on your perspective.

 

[Lunitik]

Yet, as you rightly point out, without the play of duality existence cannot be.

I am not against duality, I simply say it can be transcended.

I enjoy this play immensely, I simply do not become entangled in it... you do not enjoy a movie any less by not being in it, in fact you enjoy it more because there is no need to remember lines or anything, you just let it unfold. This is enlightenment.

 

[Lunitik]

The transformation is from man to God.

Yet, of course, this is only a conveyance...

In truth you already are, yet you will likely not understand this, you will say it cannot be for you do not feel it is so... this is the all any messenger has ever tried show though: how to realize it.

Few ever understand this

 

[Persona]

There is no problem, it is exactly perfect because it is completely balanced. By trying to inject more good you only bring in more evil, for the balance must be maintained. This is the foolishness of man today...

This is something I don't understand... Isn't it good to strive to make this world better - to help others? But in doing so, is that somehow creating the opposite... if so, how?
Would you expand on that?

It is because we look from the valley, we see the direct hustle and bustle of the bazaar and see no sense in anything - it seems random. We must go to the tip of the mountain, then we can see there is indeed a sense of order, patterns to everything. This is the beauty, but it depends on your perspective.

I love it!
Well put!

 

[Lunitik]

This is something I don't understand... Isn't it good to strive to make this world better - to help others? But in doing so, is that somehow creating the opposite... if so, how?
Would you expand on that?

I love it!
Well put!

I have already explained it... it is because God, however you understand it, is the absolute and all things emanate from that Principle. If you try to make the world good, you create an attribute for God, and thus upset absolute balance. Localized, humans cannot make sense of things like World Wars and the like, but it is because we see from the Valley, we do not understand the overall play of things. Destruction always causes new advancement, all things must die for the new to come about...

Without understanding oneness, I suppose it can be a difficult concept to grasp, but for instance look at the gang problem in America. Citizens have attempted to make things better by keeping drugs off the streets, but in actuality they have given drugs a new allure. Not only this, but now thousands are dying - MORE than originally were with drugs! - in the fight to try to stop them. Everything has an equal and opposite reaction, that includes good. The physics laws we have come to recognize do not only apply to matter and objects, they are the way energy interacts - whether dense or subtle, whether thought or action. You have to be careful what you are putting out into the world, for it will return in its kind and its opposite.

This is all the play of the absolute and necessary for it to manifest existence while retaining its wholeness. I am not sure how well I have explained though?

 

[Lunitik]

Do not misunderstand, though, I am not saying do not help others...

What I am saying is that it should not be an obligation, and you should not be doing it simply because now you can feel you are a good person. If you even expect a thankyou, your good deed was for naught, you have brought your ego in.

Intent is more important than any action, it is what affects karma - if you believe in this. If you can remain out of the situation, without trying to be good or bad, and simply allow what will arise, you will find often a good deed will occur by itself - thus your very absence causes the goodness, this is a hint. You only have to bring the mind in, the ego in to do some conniving deed so how can it ever result in something good? It may seem good on the periphery, but it is not true.

The world is filled by people trying to do the right thing, there has never been a war where neither side thought they were doing what is right. If either thinks they are wrong, they can easily back down, but when you are identified and believe something, it is impossible.

 

[Persona]

Do not misunderstand, though, I am not saying do not help others...

What I am saying is that it should not be an obligation, and you should not be doing it simply because now you can feel you are a good person. If you even expect a thankyou, your good deed was for naught, you have brought your ego in.

Intent is more important than any action, it is what affects karma - if you believe in this. If you can remain out of the situation, without trying to be good or bad, and simply allow what will arise, you will find often a good deed will occur by itself - thus your very absence causes the goodness, this is a hint. You only have to bring the mind in, the ego in to do some conniving deed so how can it ever result in something good? It may seem good on the periphery, but it is not true.

The world is filled by people trying to do the right thing, there has never been a war where neither side thought they were doing what is right. If either thinks they are wrong, they can easily back down, but when you are identified and believe something, it is impossible.

I've often wondered about how that works... if karma is dictated by action or intent. Intent without action seems vain yet action with conflicting intent is also vain. Rod Stewart sang, "May you never love in vain"... I wonder what that means. IE: I'm married to someone I don't feel love for as much as I wish I did, yet I still act loving to him. Sometimes my kids drive me crazy & I don't feel loving, but I love anyway. Love to me, is not just about feeling but about hoping & striving for what's best (through trial & error). Yet, in going against my feelings, part of me dies.

I can see what you mean about letting the ego & mind go & loving unconditionally (without reward)... But that doesn't seem practical, with every-day living. Consider business. Even the most giving people wouldn't give unless they got some kind of reward for it - even if it's just the good feeling in giving. That's why so many are starving to death... people tend to prefer to "sponser" poor children that they can have a picture of & feel good about helping, even though by doing this most of the donation is going to the charity publications etc. not to those in most need.

"There must needs be opposition in all things" - I guess so, otherwise we wouldn't know the difference, or would we? I wonder how time plays into this balance of opposites & how it plays out within our souls. And how are balances determined - is it always physical for physical, social for social...?

If we were to trace everything to the source God/Creator... Aristotle called it "Prime Mover" - I prefer love/Ultimate Concern...
At the source... isn't there pure goodness - pure intent for what's ultimately best?

 

[Lunitik]

Try not to look at life so ideally, life is not ideal, it is actual.

Go into it totally, hold nothing back, all of a sudden - free from expectation - everything you've ever wanted begins to unfold. Idealism is simply an avoidance of reality, a day dream.

Without bad, good is lost, now it is just normal. The play of opposites provides life with some spice, it makes this adventure more alive. Would you watch a movie where they just sat around watching TV the whole time? No, you want action, you want drama, but you want a happy ending. In existence, too, there is a happy ending - although not always within this life. Eventually, we all merge back with the beloved, all merge with God.

Goodness is not pure, it is the result of a judgement, mind has decided it approves. It might surprise you, for instance, that Buddha has killed after enlightenment. Can you see any good in this? Can you say anything about why this could possibly be good? Yet others on this site have loved Buddha, the world over people are looking to him as the highest reality. It is because he has been able to see into the future, this man was going to murder innocent people. Will your mind permit this? What exactly does it mean by good? Can goodness be something absolute?

Can you find the absolute?

 

[Lunitik]

On Karma:

Action is only the periphery, intent is where the energy has arisen and been set into motion, and thus intent dictates whether the flow is positive or negative irrelevant of the outer actualization of the energy.

Every thought you put out into the world, whether actualized in action or speech, or simply considered gives energy to it, and this flavors your energy field. Everything you give power to, everything you identify with adds to this energy, and if your energy field becomes too negative you will attract negativity, you will create it all around you. Of course, it is better to always try to remain positive and loving, this will flavor your own energy field in the opposite direction, now you will be loved by all you encounter, lovely...

This fuels the ego though, if you are not on a path to freedom, it is fine, but it will hamper your inner journey. You must drop all identification with mind and body, thought and action, then you are free of karma. Now you become as a black hole, an utter void attracting all the energy around you. Now you experience the peaks of life, this is nirvana, heaven, moksha.

Something to consider though, if you are doing a good action to feel better about yourself, or because you want the other to be grateful etc, can it really be called good? If you identify and say "I am a good person because I did this", you have now made it a bad deed, it has become selfish. It would be better to feel gratitude they allowed you to assist them, this is a better way to look at things if mind comes in. Deeper than this is to simply do, without regard for the deed at all, it just happened but you pay no mind, you move on to the next event. You may even become embarrassed if they thank you, for you have done it simply because it had to be done, it was the next thing in your script of life. This is true detachment, and detachment is the way...

It depends on you...

 

[donnann]

The transformation is from man to God.

I would say into being like god, man will never be god.

 

[Lunitik]

I would say into being like god, man will never be god.

There is only God, it is not possible man be anything else except in his delusion.

In reality, there is no transformation, it is only a realizing of what was the case all along.

 

[Etu Malku]

I would say into being like god, man will never be god.

There is not One Almighty, Overseeing, Omnipotent, Being . . . rather we are all our own god. What most indoctrined/religious people refer to as god is simply the Objective Universe / Natural Laws and Principles.

Find out who YOU are . . . you will find your God Within.

 

[donnann]

There is not One Almighty, Overseeing, Omnipotent, Being . . . rather we are all our own god. What most indoctrined/religious people refer to as god is simply the Objective Universe / Natural Laws and Principles.

Find out who YOU are . . . you will find your God Within.

For me that would be goddess within then I would find whoever my counterpart is or hopefully he will find me so I can find my goddess self.

 

[Lunitik]

There is not One Almighty, Overseeing, Omnipotent, Being . . . rather we are all our own god. What most indoctrined/religious people refer to as god is simply the Objective Universe / Natural Laws and Principles.

Find out who YOU are . . . you will find your God Within.

This is my problem with your words: you feel you can own it.

Will you look into this? Is it actually the case? You take an aggressive route to God, your ego wants to be victorious, it doesn't work like that.

You have to cease as you are for truth to arise in you, it will be your death as you are now, but you will know your true self for the first time then.

You have said you have encountered this, yet you say you do not think anyone can reside in it, will you see if you can reside in it longer by not allowing mind to come back in? To simply enjoy the state, but constantly remaining conscious that this is what you are?

It is difficult at first, you will fall quite often, but eventually it pervades through all events. Now you can even begin to go to sleep being aware "sleep is happening", if you repeat this for a few months something amazing happens: you are even aware in sleep. Now you have found that which is unchanging, this is the witness, it is the true or Higher Self - that which is aware of all that the Lower Self does.

Other than this, we agree on much, you are on the right path in general. You just have to realize the Higher Self is not part of the Lower Self. It is not bad you call it this, you just have to look more closely at that Self.

It is better to say Higher Self than God, for the latter will cater even more to the ego, but both are the universal consciousness. It is your own truth, but it is also everyone elses, for it is the very nature of our consciousness which is sought.

If you do not feel this is so, it is ok, just keep trying to find from where your thoughts arise. Do not simply say the brain, for the brain is much like an antenna, it receives signals and tunes into whatever channels appeal to it. Find out from where the signal comes.

 

[donnann]

This is my problem with your words: you feel you can own it.

Will you look into this? Is it actually the case? You take an aggressive route to God, your ego wants to be victorious, it doesn't work like that.

You have to cease as you are for truth to arise in you, it will be your death as you are now, but you will know your true self for the first time then.

You have said you have encountered this, yet you say you do not think anyone can reside in it, will you see if you can reside in it longer by not allowing mind to come back in? To simply enjoy the state, but constantly remaining conscious that this is what you are?

It is difficult at first, you will fall quite often, but eventually it pervades through all events. Now you can even begin to go to sleep being aware "sleep is happening", if you repeat this for a few months something amazing happens: you are even aware in sleep. Now you have found that which is unchanging, this is the witness, it is the true or Higher Self - that which is aware of all that the Lower Self does.

Other than this, we agree on much, you are on the right path in general. You just have to realize the Higher Self is not part of the Lower Self. It is not bad you call it this, you just have to look more closely at that Self.

It is better to say Higher Self than God, for the latter will cater even more to the ego, but both are the universal consciousness. It is your own truth, but it is also everyone elses, for it is the very nature of our consciousness which is sought.

If you do not feel this is so, it is ok, just keep trying to find from where your thoughts arise. Do not simply say the brain, for the brain is much like an antenna, it receives signals and tunes into whatever channels appeal to it. Find out from where the signal comes.

I have said ye are all GODS. GOD is saying men are in his image and are gods , he never said you are literally him. Is a son literally his father.....no. Everyone has a father and GOD is the father of all . Science says that something cannnot be created from nothing but has to come from a source like that. When people started to reason GOD because of this some in science tried to change this scientifiic fact. However it is true and since intelligence existed and always has then intelligence came from intelligence ......as in GOD.

 

[Lunitik]

I have said ye are all GODS. GOD is saying men are in his image and are gods , he never said you are literally him. Is a son literally his father.....no. Everyone has a father and GOD is the father of all . Science says that something cannnot be created from nothing but has to come from a source like that. When people started to reason GOD because of this some in science tried to change this scientifiic fact. However it is true and since intelligence existed and always has then intelligence came from intelligence ......as in GOD.

Awareness has arisen in energy, and this has flowered in conscious intelligence.

God is not necessary as you understand him.

 

[donnann]

Awareness has arisen in energy, and this has flowered in conscious intelligence.

God is not necessary as you understand him.

GOD is not much different from man aside from the fact that hes perfect. I understand him completely. Hes love . All good things come from him. Hes righteous.

 

[donnann]

The ice and steam are both false.

You have to realize you are simply an expression of the totality of energy which comprises all things. It is the same energy flowing through everything, and your true nature IS that energy.

The problem is the energy is directed into ice or steam and forgets it is already both.

I have been talking about a crystal that is the hardest substance that exists that is unbreakable. You become this substance. Its associated with platinum but isnt platinum. Its harder.

 

[donnann]

I have been talking about a crystal that is the hardest substance that exists that is unbreakable. You become this substance. Its associated with platinum but isnt platinum. Its harder.

Its made from a combination of white gold and black gold. but actually exists. Thats the properties it has. Its like two yellow diamonds or crystals but ones a white yellow diamond and ones a black yellow diamond. The combination of the two makes this wonderful crystal or gem.