Heavenly Armies function and purpose

[Lunitik]

See beauty in a snowflake, Infinity in an hourglass, touch my heart my love and time will never pass. Through the golden
sands of time we grow closer ever still, until we meet again

my love

... then the emptyiness we will fill.

One who is Like You..
To me this is the marriage poem like the proposal and the crystal body folllows. The 10th body.

The heart of the beloved is the heart of the lover, there is no distance which separates them. In that place, you are beyond time and space, and that meeting is the annihilation of distinction - that is the true meeting place.

Now your emptiness is fulfillment, for nothingness, the void of the Hindu's is pure love. Free from passion, free from obsession, calm is this love, yet it fills the infinite things, it is that which is constantly changing, the formless behind all forms, the only eternal presence.

It is you, child.

 

[Persona]

Try not to look at life so ideally, life is not ideal, it is actual.

This is what is conflicting...
One one hand, there's the teaching to have no attachments... no expectations, to flow along with life.
Yet on the other hand, we can't help but be driven! As you mentioned, we need excitement - passion!

Can you find the absolute?

No... but I can pretend.

 

[Persona]

On Karma:

Action is only the periphery, intent is where the energy has arisen and been set into motion, and thus intent dictates whether the flow is positive or negative irrelevant of the outer actualization of the energy.

Every thought you put out into the world, whether actualized in action or speech, or simply considered gives energy to it, and this flavors your energy field. Everything you give power to, everything you identify with adds to this energy, and if your energy field becomes too negative you will attract negativity, you will create it all around you. Of course, it is better to always try to remain positive and loving, this will flavor your own energy field in the opposite direction, now you will be loved by all you encounter, lovely...

Yeah, that makes sense, I think.
Maybe Karma is the feelings we experience (from thoughts & actions), make up our energy, which is either attracted or repulsed by other energies.

Something to consider though, if you are doing a good action to feel better about yourself, or because you want the other to be grateful etc, can it really be called good? If you identify and say "I am a good person because I did this", you have now made it a bad deed, it has become selfish. It would be better to feel gratitude they allowed you to assist them, this is a better way to look at things if mind comes in. Deeper than this is to simply do, without regard for the deed at all, it just happened but you pay no mind, you move on to the next event. You may even become embarrassed if they thank you, for you have done it simply because it had to be done, it was the next thing in your script of life. This is true detachment, and detachment is the way...

I don't know about detachment...
I think it's good to risk vulnerability, to open our hearts to others & appreciate them & influence each other.
Yet, I see what you mean about not depending on someone or something to feel good.

 

[Lunitik]

This is what is conflicting...
One one hand, there's the teaching to have no attachments... no expectations, to flow along with life.
Yet on the other hand, we can't help but be driven! As you mentioned, we need excitement - passion!

The thing is, if you can become unattached, if you expect nothing, how do you think this will affect your excitement for life? You will enjoy everything far more, because you are not concerned with what happened yesterday, you did not expect this experience which is happening now. All becomes utterly fresh, this is the innocence of a child, and all who reside herenow know it.

I will never talk about passion though, for me it is a dirty word. You have to find a calmer more peaceful extent of passion, this we call compassion.

No... but I can pretend.

I laughed, but please do not pretend, there is no need!

If you really long for it, it will hear your call and reveal itself. It may bring you close in steps, ensuring you are worthy, but if you trust it you will know it.

It is calling through my words, it is the resonating you have said you feel, follow it, you are on the right track.

Keep trusting, you are being answered.

 

[Lunitik]

Yeah, that makes sense, I think.
Maybe Karma is the feelings we experience (from thoughts & actions), make up our energy, which is either attracted or repulsed by other energies.

Feelings effect karma, as do thoughts. Both are firings of energy - even science can show this with brain scans. Now these pulses hit off other things and will affect them, but some residue also is caught in your own astral body. You should be careful for both reasons, for even casual thoughts of hate can have dire consequences, and likewise the flavor of your astral body is sensed unknowingly by others and will affect their behavior and relations with you. We see this most obviously in facial expressions and demeanor, but intuition can sense it as well. For some, this can even be seen, and is now called an aura.

I don't know about detachment...
I think it's good to risk vulnerability, to open our hearts to others & appreciate them & influence each other.
Yet, I see what you mean about not depending on someone or something to feel good.

It does not mean detachment from the other, it means detachment from your views of the other, from your conceptions of the other, and more so for your conceptions of yourself. Now you can be vulnerable without feeling vulnerable, because now there is nothing to protect, you are simply in the moment enjoying. You will find a great deal of appreciation for everyone you encounter now, for you will see each as a gift, someone here to share part of the journey with, someone that can mutually grow with you. Yet, always there comes a crossroads, and you find that now you must depart. You will be grateful rather than selfishly try to keep them with you longer, trying to drag them down your road which will not be beneficial to them.

You should enjoy every moment of life, take each moment to their peak, squeeze every drop of experiencing it has to offer. This allows you better to move on, but it also allows you to never become exhausted with a particular person. When life is lived at this capacity, nothing is ever old, so you will not tire of people.

It is perhaps hard to see, I struggled much with detachment as well when I first started going into it, it truly has unimaginable benefits though, you will start wondering why you ever became so entangled in things. Distance is needed though to really understand and respond effectively to life. It is like standing in a valley among the market, pushing your way through this way and that and there seems to be no rhyme or reason at all, just a chaos. If you simply climb the nearby mountain though, the higher you climb the more you see it has its own sense of cosmos, of order.

It is often helpful to change your perspective.

 

[Lunitik]

For instance, with your mother, if you are honest I am sure it is partly that you pull the past along with you when you are around her. Now part of your energy is directed at these memories, it becomes impossible to be totally with her in this moment. If you could be totally with her in this moment, it becomes impossible for other things to come in. Your memories have become sort of like a resistor in a circuit, they have served to lessen the energy in the moment.

This can be how you live your entire life, it is merely an example. Carrying the past is a burden, but we feel we must because it defines who we think we are. We are not these memories though, and if you can learn to be more total in the now, you will find you are far more spontaneous, you will care far less for others opinions because you are not even considering what they might think... you are simply enjoying life.

What else can be its purpose, though?

 

[donnann]

For instance, with your mother, if you are honest I am sure it is partly that you pull the past along with you when you are around her. Now part of your energy is directed at these memories, it becomes impossible to be totally with her in this moment. If you could be totally with her in this moment, it becomes impossible for other things to come in. Your memories have become sort of like a resistor in a circuit, they have served to lessen the energy in the moment.

This can be how you live your entire life, it is merely an example. Carrying the past is a burden, but we feel we must because it defines who we think we are. We are not these memories though, and if you can learn to be more total in the now, you will find you are far more spontaneous, you will care far less for others opinions because you are not even considering what they might think... you are simply enjoying life.

What else can be its purpose, though?

I look forward to the future and only take good things from my past that push me to the next step into the future into account.

 

[Lunitik]

I look forward to the future and only take good things from my past that push me to the next step into the future into account.

I only look at what is this moment, for all else is just an avoidance of it.

Only this moment ever is, the rest is your minds attempt to distract you.

 

[donnann]

I only look at what is this moment, for all else is just an avoidance of it.

Only this moment ever is, the rest is your minds attempt to distract you.

I have been through stages in my life, good ones that seem to go to a next stage. I have to review the stages to see whats next. They dont distract me they give me insight as to what stage I am at and what will come next.

 

[Lunitik]

I have been through stages in my life, good ones that seem to go to a next stage. I have to review the stages to see whats next. They dont distract me they give me insight as to what stage I am at and what will come next.

I say they can only hold you back, but you will have to see this for yourself.

 

[donnann]

I say they can only hold you back, but you will have to see this for yourself.

I dont hold onto them I just know what the next step is. Now how that step will take place I dont know. I am at the stage of the golden lotus opening. Dont know when it will open but I do know its a who will open it. How , I dont know that either. I know the mechanics of how it opens. There are locks on it that are crystal locks linked to the crystal inside. The activation opens it but how , when ect I dont know. I have been through metaphyscial experiences and this is the last one I have to go through.

 

[Persona]

The thing is, if you can become unattached, if you expect nothing, how do you think this will affect your excitement for life? You will enjoy everything far more, because you are not concerned with what happened yesterday, you did not expect this experience which is happening now. All becomes utterly fresh, this is the innocence of a child, and all who reside herenow know it.

I will never talk about passion though, for me it is a dirty word. You have to find a calmer more peaceful extent of passion, this we call compassion.

That sounds nice, but isn't that boring?
Life is short!
Yeah, so often we are fooling ourselves about our passions... isn't that better than just going along, ho hum?

I laughed, but please do not pretend, there is no need!

If you really long for it, it will hear your call and reveal itself. It may bring you close in steps, ensuring you are worthy, but if you trust it you will know it.

It is calling through my words, it is the resonating you have said you feel, follow it, you are on the right track.

Keep trusting, you are being answered.

I was half joking, but half serious... Sometimes I pretend to have found the "absolute" but that's usually when I'm fooling myself most. There is no absolute, IMO. Truth is in perspectives, the more perspectives, the more truthful. Maybe dark energy which permeates us all (the essence of all energy) is made up of subatomic particles from the 10th dimension... infinite possibilities of infinite possibilities... not absolute at all.

Maybe you're referring to a different type of absolute?

 

[Persona]

It does not mean detachment from the other, it means detachment from your views of the other, from your conceptions of the other, and more so for your conceptions of yourself.

Well put!

Now you can be vulnerable without feeling vulnerable, because now there is nothing to protect, you are simply in the moment enjoying. You will find a great deal of appreciation for everyone you encounter now, for you will see each as a gift, someone here to share part of the journey with, someone that can mutually grow with you. Yet, always there comes a crossroads, and you find that now you must depart. You will be grateful rather than selfishly try to keep them with you longer, trying to drag them down your road which will not be beneficial to them.

I like that too, Lunitik.
I've got a lot of de-programming to do. For most of my life, I've attached my sense of worth to my imagined ideas of what others thought of me, or even how they feel (codependancy). I've been more in tune with others' feelings than my own... trying to live through them. I've gotten so hurt when others haven't loved me as I wanted them to - but I set it up for them to be takers & me always the giver. Most people will fall for that one-sided relationship. I realize more now, that I've often loved so conditionally - almost forced - & that's why I've avoided people sometimes. It's too painful to be around them & it's too painful to hurt them (or think I have). I've got a lot of inside work to do.
I need to heal myself before I can help others heal.

You should enjoy every moment of life, take each moment to their peak, squeeze every drop of experiencing it has to offer. This allows you better to move on, but it also allows you to never become exhausted with a particular person. When life is lived at this capacity, nothing is ever old, so you will not tire of people.

But what about relationships that go deeper... growing together, learning from each other - even past the urge to move on... Isn't there something spiritual in that?

It is perhaps hard to see, I struggled much with detachment as well when I first started going into it, it truly has unimaginable benefits though, you will start wondering why you ever became so entangled in things. Distance is needed though to really understand and respond effectively to life. It is like standing in a valley among the market, pushing your way through this way and that and there seems to be no rhyme or reason at all, just a chaos. If you simply climb the nearby mountain though, the higher you climb the more you see it has its own sense of cosmos, of order.

It is often helpful to change your perspective.

Sometimes I've mentally imagined myself in the big picture...from where I'm sitting, to outside my house, to neighborhood, going further out to the city, the state, the country, hemisiphere, world, solar system, universe. It puts things in perspective, doesn't it!

 

[donnann]

Well put!
I like that too, Lunitik.
I've got a lot of de-programming to do. For most of my life, I've attached my sense of worth to my imagined ideas of what others thought of me, or even how they feel (codependancy). I've been more in tune with others' feelings than my own... trying to live through them. I've gotten so hurt when others haven't loved me as I wanted them to - but I set it up for them to be takers & me always the giver. Most people will fall for that one-sided relationship. I realize more now, that I've often loved so conditionally - almost forced - & that's why I've avoided people sometimes. It's too painful to be around them & it's too painful to hurt them (or think I have). I've got a lot of inside work to do.
I need to heal myself before I can help others heal.

But what about relationships that go deeper... growing together, learning from each other - even past the urge to move on... Isn't there something spiritual in that?

Sometimes I've mentally imagined myself in the big picture...from where I'm sitting, to outside my house, to neighborhood, going further out to the city, the state, the country, hemisiphere, world, solar system, universe. It puts things in perspective, doesn't it!

I am going back to being a vegan. For me thats a start.

 

[Lunitik]

That sounds nice, but isn't that boring?
Life is short!
Yeah, so often we are fooling ourselves about our passions... isn't that better than just going along, ho hum?

What is boredom? It is restlessness, so no I cannot say it is boring.
It can be very dry, certainly, which is why I do not recommend Buddha to many people - he is only interested in the absolute, he does not accept any spice in life.
Optimally, we should understand nothing really matters, then dive into whatsoever life is presenting for us to experience. Now we will live more fully and not become so entangled in things like drama.

I was half joking, but half serious... Sometimes I pretend to have found the "absolute" but that's usually when I'm fooling myself most. There is no absolute, IMO. Truth is in perspectives, the more perspectives, the more truthful. Maybe dark energy which permeates us all (the essence of all energy) is made up of subatomic particles from the 10th dimension... infinite possibilities of infinite possibilities... not absolute at all.

You must find from where the perspectives have arisen, for every perspective is an object, you are looking for the subjectivity in which the object has arisen. If the mind is involved, it is probably false, in fact I might say that the absolute is that which the mind insists is false yet YOU cannot deny.

Maybe you're referring to a different type of absolute?

I am speaking of the encounter of oneness, so it depends what you mean by absolute

 

[Lunitik]

I need to heal myself before I can help others heal.

What you actually are has never been harmed, you only need to re-center in that place. It is good to look into things, find out why they remain with you, but ultimately it must be about letting them go. Your true nature is happiness, bliss and love, you must clear the dust off to see this.

I think you are going in the right direction though, you seem to have a very honest way of looking at yourself - usually I would say find out who the looker is to find your own center, but I think you will find it if you continue down this road.

But what about relationships that go deeper... growing together, learning from each other - even past the urge to move on... Isn't there something spiritual in that?

Certainly, some you encounter will journey with you for the duration of this life, it is perfectly good. You must obey that urge though, if there is something telling you that this is no longer bringing about any growth, if you feel this has began to even stifle your growth, you must trust this. That which is telling you this IS the spirit.

Sometimes I've mentally imagined myself in the big picture...from where I'm sitting, to outside my house, to neighborhood, going further out to the city, the state, the country, hemisiphere, world, solar system, universe. It puts things in perspective, doesn't it!

I often tried to imagine a world without me at all, this helped me to see what is important and what I was giving false value to. The problem with your approach here is that you remain central to each of your conceptions. It will show you how small you are, I had this discussion with a Sikh though, that even if you bring yourself to the size of a grain of sand, still there is some clinging left. Often, the smaller you bring yourself, the harder it is to understand what remains that you are clinging to.

This will look like a depressing statement, perhaps. Please try to see it as something uplifting, we often put pressure on ourselves because we consider that others are depending on us. This will simply show you your freedom, that without having to do anything, still things plod along merrily.

 

[Lunitik]

"Sitting silently, spring comes and the grass grows by itself"

 

[donnann]

"Sitting silently, spring comes and the grass grows by itself"

13 CRYSTAL SKULLS

Have you read up on this stuff?

 

[Lunitik]

13 CRYSTAL SKULLS

Have you read up on this stuff?

I am interested in their meaning, and this I have tried to convey to you.

The ornaments point at something significant, but in themselves they are irrelevant. What they point to is universal, but you have to understand this.

You cannot cling to the presentation and ignore what is presented, please see it is just as a Jesus parable, the meaning is much deeper than what you are looking at. I would suggest questioning anything which is trying to earn your money, truth cannot be purchased.

 

[donnann]

I am interested in their meaning, and this I have tried to convey to you.

The ornaments point at something significant, but in themselves they are irrelevant. What they point to is universal, but you have to understand this.

You cannot cling to the presentation and ignore what is presented, please see it is just as a Jesus parable, the meaning is much deeper than what you are looking at.

It is universal. There are 12 doors in the universe that lead to the one big door which is our planet....human. Then there is the angelic kingdom, same thing. There is life on other planets. There are angelic beings. The crystal being is the place beyond both places. The source of the creation of the heavenly kingdom and the earthly one. There are changes taking place in both. This is why prophecy talks about not only a new earth but also a new heaven. The crystal being is infinite beings that are made of the element that is the source of all the elements within ones environment. This is the highest attainment. Heavenly beings as well as earthly ones are going through this change and attainment.