Personhood and God - a demotion

DT Strain

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I just read a most stimulating thought of Musonius Rufus (Roman Stoic philosopher) saying that "the gods know everything so they have no need of reasoning". This is a remarkable incredible point supporting a naturalism-compatible impersonal God. It is about the contradiction between being (1) an all-knowing and (b) a reasoning 'person'.

Reasoning is taking information/ideas/concepts and juggling them in your mind, trying to understand something or come to some conclusion. When you reason, you are working toward some future state that is, presumably, more preferred than your current state.

But if you are already perfect and know all, then what is there to think/reason about? What decision is there that needs to be made that wasn't already made by the nature of existence at its birth? In fact, if you were visited by a genie who granted your wish to be all-knowing, you might find your individuality and personhood dissolved into the infinite. Our reasoning personhood requires finitude - limits on what we know, so that we have to work things out with incomplete information that is continuously being gathered.

People often think of suggestions of God as impersonal as a demotion - as if God would lack something we have. But persons are tiny limited things. So, when we try to make God a person, we are dragging God down to be as limited as we.

Since we are persons, however, I shall ask: what are your thoughts? :)
 
Hi DT Strain —

Interesting citation ... I agree with Rufus, as long as he assets that although God does not reason, that does not mean God does not possess reason. God is not unreasonable, in the sense of chaotic, anarchic or irrational. We can reliably predicate things of God: The Good, The Real, The True, but if a god was an irrational nature, then our religious endeavours are a complete waste of time, for tomorrow such a god might decide that everything is made of cheese!

I agree that "Our reasoning personhood requires finitude", I rather think it is because of our finitude that we need to reason. We are finite beings but we are orientated towards the infinite. I tend to think that all our religious endeavours, in whatever form, are aimed at "dissolving one's individuality and personhood into the infinite."

Lastly I would say that we, as persons, are 'tiny limited things', but the Divine Person is neither tiny, nor limited, nor a thing ... and the fact that God chose to come to man as man is one of the most overlooked and misunderstood Mysteries of the Christian Tradition.

God bless,

Thomas
 
Hi THomas,

As an appreciator of the Logos, I would agree that there is an underlying rational order to the universe, which allows us to approach it rationally. And, that throughout the complex interdependence of this rational system, a Divine Fire flows like kindling throughout the cosmos - an inherent creativity, a counter to entropy, which moves toward higher orders of complexity.

Best wishes :)
-Daniel
 
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