is revealations of quran is coming from GOD or some other source???

[james luke]

the revealations of quran is coming thru the sound of the bell,,,so is this from the true lord or the devil,, the universal mind???? please discuss

 

[Dream]

Hi james luke. I'm not a Muslim, but I request you clarify your question (if you don't mind).

I don't understand why you mention a bell. The revelations of quran come through ink upon paper, and I don't know why bells are important. Are you asking 'how does it come?' and 'from where does it come?'

I don't understand what the universal mind is. Are you referring to the 'Umah'?

Is Allah what you mean by 'True lord' or could it mean something else? For instance: if you have an employer who treats you fairly, is he or she a true lord?

Is the 'Devil' any number if people who impersonate the true lord(s), or it is the devil only one person?

 

[Amica]

Dream,

I think he is referring to the various methods of how Prophet Muhammad pbuh knew a revelation was about to be revealed to him. One of the ways was the sound of a bell in his ear. I do not see anything evil in this method, but James would like you to believe the conspiracy. Ringing in ears is not uncommon biological response that all of us experience in our lifetimes. For some people, it becomes a real problem. Prophet Muhammad pbuh may have experienced the sound of "bell" (aka ringing in the ears) a bit more amplified during the moment when a revelation is to come.

Also, I think Christians give the devil more power than Muslims do. We simply do not believe the devil to be that smart or capable to do things as Christians often believe him to be. For example, Christians believe the devil to be "the lord of this world." Muslims do not believe the devil to be the lord of anything in the Universe, let alone of this world. The only "lordship" he might have is over his own evil things and his followers. But that is about it.

 

[Dream]

Dream,

I think he is referring to the various methods of how Prophet Muhammad pbuh knew a revelation was about to be revealed to him. One of the ways was the sound of a bell in his ear. I do not see anything evil in this method, but James would like you to believe the conspiracy. Ringing in ears is not uncommon biological response that all of us experience in our lifetimes. For some people, it becomes a real problem. Prophet Muhammad pbuh may have experienced the sound of "bell" (aka ringing in the ears) a bit more amplified during the moment when a revelation is to come.

Also, I think Christians give the devil more power than Muslims do. We simply do not believe the devil to be that smart or capable to do things as Christians often believe him to be. For example, Christians believe the devil to be "the lord of this world." Muslims do not believe the devil to be the lord of anything in the Universe, let alone of this world. The only "lordship" he might have is over his own evil things and his followers. But that is about it.

Thanks for clarifying that, Amica.

“When thou does read the Qur'an, seek Allah's protection from Saitan the Rejected One” The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 16, Verse 98.

You mention that reading the mus-haf is not the same as reciting. Some posters have said that the 'Sound' of the recited words alone have positive properties even if one does not understand what they mean. I have read somewhere that many recite but aren't able to understand the language, and reciting is more important to them. As you can imagine this definitely relates to the opening post, because the question had to do with a sound -- the sound of a bell. The ringing of a bell is not as simple as you would at first think. It has overtones which are formed by the bell's shape and its peculiarities. An infinitely complex bell could have an infinitely complex sound, maybe.

Lets suppose that a person has a poor memory, but they can say the word 'Quran'. Can reciting the word 'Quran' itself be a kind of recitation? Lots of people say it but don't know that it means 'Recitation', but most people including westerners have spoken it at least 5 times.

To know more about quran and clear understanding of quran please read the quran in open mind.There is English translation of quran is available to read for non Arabic people.

Sounds like reading it isn't going to do me as much good as listening to a tape of its recitation.

Quran Challenges Readers. Quran says in chapter (verse) number 82 in Surat Al-Nisa'a that says:
“Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy”.

Do you mean that it is safer to recite it than to try to read it?

One of the well known scientific principles is the principle of finding mistakes or looking for mistakes in a theory until it’s proved to be right (Falsification Test). What’s amazing is that the Holy Qur'an asks Muslims and non-muslims to try to find mistakes in this book and it tells them that they will never find any.

I don't think that I can accept this science bit. I have some scientific training but am not a scientist. I think testing the Quran by Science may turn out to be a fad. There are other ways to test a thing. Science is like a pebble. You can do a lot with it, but you can't recite Science. If I pronounce Dalton's law of Pressures, its not like reciting scripture. You are the one who told me that Quran is not from paper, and I know Science is all about paper, depends upon paper and exists in ink upon paper.

 

[radarmark]

dream, try MM Ali's translation. The English is gorgeous and (as I understand it, not being an Arabic reader) quite good. The notes are interesting (warning he is Ahmadi, so he speaks not for Sunni or Shi'a or Shariah).