Virgin birth of jesus proved

[Shibolet]

I liked the visit of the three zurvanite Zoroastrians to the nativity of Jesus. Very pro-Persian empire; upset the Roman Empire and all that.

The scriptures are a circular argument like many others; The Saga's say Beowulf slew a Dragon. This does not prove the existence of Dragons.

Anyway, Virgin is Betulot also Bethulah in Hebrew, not Almah which means young woman.
So if a sober person wished to say 'Virgin' in Hebrew...?

In that case, you must stick to the gospel of Matthew because the other three never heard of such zurvanite Zoroastrians. If you appeal to Luke, this even makes them impossible to have existed.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Should not this topic be in Abrahamic Religions Forum or in Belief and Spirituality? What is it doing in Eastern Religions and Spirituality? Whether virgin birth or not, how does it relate to the forum?

 

[Shibolet]

Should not this topic be in Abrahamic Religions Forum or in Belief and Spirituality? What is it doing in Eastern Religions and Spirituality? Whether virgin birth or not, how does it relate to the forum?

I'll tell you why it relates to the forum. The original poster implies that Isaiah 7:14 about the metaphorical virgin birth of Judah from the virgin Israel has been proved in Jesus and I am trying to show the factual evidence that the Biblical text of Isaiah has nothing to do with Greek Mythology. That's all.

 

[Aupmanyav]

He was wrong in posting it here.

 

[iBrian]

You're right, it's in the wrong area - I've move it to a more general one.

 

[BigJoeNobody]

It's ok guys. no need to argue. Once you all accept Islam, you will know the virgin birth is fact. now all I gotta do is convince you to accept the last and final messenger (PBUH) and the word that he transmitted is the same as that taught by Jesus (PBUH). Then we won't have to argue over literal vs parable. meaning of this parable vs meaning of that. Or even the when and where and why doesn't this timing make sense.

 

[Tahmeed]

A simple answer can solve this, If almighty Allah(God) can create Adam(PBUH) and Eve without parents, why he wouldn't be able to create another human and bring him to the earth by a woman?

 

[Thomas]

It's ok guys. no need to argue. Once you all accept Islam, you will know the virgin birth is fact.

You don't have to accept Islam to know that.

Then we won't have to argue over literal vs parable. meaning of this parable vs meaning of that. Or even the when and where and why doesn't this timing make sense.

We Christians don't have a problem anyway The posters here do not claim to be Christian, except Wil, and he refutes the veracity of the text as a whole, regardless of its content. Anything that smacks of mystagogy is anathema to him!

But seriously, most Christians don't see contradictions or dichotomies. It's only the fundamentalists who insist it can only be this or that (it's all true; it's all analogy). What they can't see is the homogeneity of spirit and matter, the two worlds must forever be separate and distinct.

Or even the when and where and why doesn't this timing make sense.

Again, when someone bangs on about Scripture 'not making sense' you're most probably talking to a fundie of one stripe or another. This old chestnut is well past its 'use by' date.

Today there's just too much good scholarship out there to make such narrow-minded assertions. Of course the fundies argue as if their particular viewpoint is infallible and inerrant, and they write off any contrary viewpoint as bias or prejudice, ignorance or superstition. The fundie is really the last bastion of 'blind faith' in action, with a generic set of rules that validates every position other than their own (which, curiously, they cannot bring themselves to see) ... but good luck!

 

[wil]

A simple answer can solve this, If almighty Allah(God) can create Adam(PBUH) and Eve without parents, why he wouldn't be able to create another human and bring him to the earth by a woman?

Yup...and since that didn't happen....does that mean the next didn't as well?

 

[Shibolet]

A simple answer can solve this, If almighty Allah(God) can create Adam(PBUH) and Eve without parents, why he wouldn't be able to create another human and bring him to the earth by a woman?

Why would He do that, because you wish He did or should have done? That's not how "Almighty Allah" works. He works in communion with nature.