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AdvaitaZen
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A place we can agree on finally.
It is not Christian in any way, for it pre-dates Christianity by at least 500 years in the east. It is exactly the idea that we are finite, that we are our thoughts and actions, our mind and body, that causes this idea we are small. When we come to finally let go of all our concepts and ideas, we find we are the divine, we find all that is said of God is true of us, and this is the miracle of life - it is not many distinct and separate things struggling to survive, it is an organic wholeness... and that wholeness is God if anything can be called this.
Awareness has the capacity to reflect, this we call thinking.
The problem is we become caught up in our identification with a particular set of thoughts, yet ever we remain only the awareness itself.
This is inaccurate, a who and what is manifest so we can find out our nature, which would not be applicable to either question in the end for it is not a person or thing. What we are is the very unmanifest creating what is manifest, look at your own experience and if you are honest, if you drop your concepts, you can see clearly that the world depends on you. Each life is only another angle of the same existence, you are that.
Enlightenment is not about any sort of knowledge, it is unrelated to intellectual pursuits in any way. It goes beyond trying to find our limitations, it is to ask for whom there could be any limitation. It is to see that through all this pursuit, we have not yet even looked at who is pursuing something. We find out it is all just delusion, there is no distinct entity that can win enlightenment for itself.
This is when let go happens, and in this absolute ceasing of all activity because you see none of it can lead you anywhere, that you are utterly helpless by yourself, only then are you filled with the divine.
You have no resulting insight, because this 'you' is no more there. There is only this presence, a celebration of life, no needs or wants, just amazed that it is. Not located anywhere, not doing anything, just letting life happen. This isn't desiring heaven, for it is living it, what more can be necessary?
Enlightenment is that moment when all purposes are fulfilled.
I doubt your enlightenment because you remain clinging to ideas, to knowledge. You do not yet seem to realize that it all simply appears for you, that you have simply accepted a set of notions and now identify with them.
Enlightenment has not happened if ego identification is still present, and counting yourself as Christian is exactly that. An enlightened man is nothing, has no definitions or expectations, no concern for anything beyond what is real - and the real is only now.
Yes, but what is this Self?
Indeed.
Discussion is only necessary until you understand silence.
Beyond that, discussion is only a means of expressing compassion.
The hearts touched because there was nothing blocking either.
You are the Kingdom, and are within all that appears for you.
I hope one day this veil is lifted from you, no more can be said.
This is again a problem I have with most religions, we say ONLY through this method, and yet all methods work. If all is truly one, then the distinctions between me and Jesus cease, the distinctions between me and God cease, the distinctions between Jesus and Buddha cease, the distinctions between Jesus and Krishna cease, the distinction between a tiny ant and God Almighty is no more there... all is one.
Again a distinction, in something other all things exist.
It only confirms your feeling that consciousness exists within your body, and so your identification with the body grows. You say "I exist in Him" except it is also said God has his being in us. Separation as such is the delusion which religion tries to overcome.
If you understand my words in this thread, then you are all knowing, and if you fully let go of ego, you will find existence does seem to bow before you. Perfection is another concept, it requires two, a comparison.
Not that all-knowing does not mean that you understand all science and scripture, it means you know all things as they actually are. We take all knowing to mean that we have a great amount of knowledge, this isn't the intent. You will come to a point where you will be able to look within yourself and know anything, maybe a vision or a feeling is presented when you request it, and this is simply understood. Now you can look this up to see how man is calling this in English, but that isn't to say you didn't already know it prior.
This is what is called the Akashic Records.
Eternal means without time, and time is only a concept of the mind, a way for the mind to make sense of memories, which are all no more real, just thoughts. Further, these thoughts are unreliable, yet much of our identifications are based on them, this is a problem. We are shown through alzheimers that we can exist without memory, but because we live by memory we become dysfunctional when memory is lost.
Keep willing the divine then, until you realize this is impossible you will continue to persist no matter what I say.
You have misunderstood me, apparently.
Intoxication and sublimation are things which come along the road, they are beautiful, but they are not the point. Through all mystical experiences there remains something constant observing it all, this basic awareness never changes no matter what effects are there in consciousness. Even in deep sleep it remains, for it is this awareness which permits us to awake from sleep to an alarm.
I would not call life after true enlightenment as followship, although certainly you find yourself doing service for all you encounter. It is more like your body being hungry so you eat, though, you see another in need and as a response you act. They are you, there is no separation, and so it is you that is in need, and you which helps yourself.
As the eye cannot see itself, so God cannot experience himself without creating the illusion of other. Now you will say I limit God, but existence is because he wanted to know himself, I would say this is the exact opposite of a limitation... and indeed, men such as Jesus prove he can know himself in this way.
