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Quirkybird
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If you believe the Biblical depiction of the deity to be true, how can you describe it as 'good' when its actions are the opposite of good?
If you believe the Biblical depiction of the deity to be true, how can you describe it as 'good' when its actions are the opposite of good?
"The bible--which must be true just for the sake of this debate--says that everything works together for good."
--> The Bible says that God has placed a curse on all women just because they are women. I do not see any way this "works together for good."
Good grief, a voice of reason Sadly, too many choose to read Scripture through the lens of their own agendas.I can say with confidence that nowhere in the bible does God say, "Women. Since you are women, and for no other reason, I curse you." -- nor does the bible say anything even close to that.
May I suggest you refresh yourself as to what the text actually says. To me it reads like sage advice and a sound warning. I have no idea where you read temptation into it.Well the deity was wholly to blame, for tempting them to try the fruit.
That is so, but unless you choose to surrender all ideas of autonomy, freedom and self-determination, then responsibility for your actions rests with you.If it supposedly created human nature then it knew exactly what the outcome would be.
Is it a human wish to die? Because that was the 'knowledge' against which they were warned.It is human to wish to attain knowledge and not be kept in ignorance!
That's a shame. There's a world of wisdom there, if only you could see it.Anyway as far as I am concerned Adam and Eve and the GofE didn't exist, it is a rather silly tale.
Anyway as far as I am concerned Adam and Eve and the GofE didn't exist, it is a rather silly tale.
I think the saying "I wish I was half the man my dog obviously thinks I am" is one of my favourites, even though I haven't got a dog! But yes, there was a tear-jerking TV item here in the UK that showed beyond doubt that a male gorilla was grieving the death of his mate. At least, whatever was motivating that gorilla motivates us in the same ways ... sadness, loneliness, tears ...Marcia, I do agree that animals have emotions. They may not be emotions as humans experience them, but have them they do.
Nor am I, and a year ago I would have agreed, but I've recently seen stuff that made me think.What I disagree with is they have any form of morality. For animals there is no concept that 'A' is 'good' but 'B' is 'bad'. Everything I have observed about animal behavior (fair disclosure, I'm no expert in this field) is that life just is. What happens is what happens, and animals accept it at that level.
There was a TV doc. about a meerkat colony. The alpha female had three sisters. One of them was really big, but not big enough to take the alpha on. So she 'recruited' the other two via a kind of 'caring' campaign, the three deposed the alpha, and then she disposed of the other two! Real Machiavelli stuff! I know 'nature's red in tooth and claw', but this seemed to evidence forethought and planning as well ...If in a wolf clan, the Alpha female is challenged by one of the other females, and the Alpha is killed. The pack accepts the challenger as the new Alpha female. I remember this event as it is unusual for power struggles within a pack to end in death. This time it did. What happened is what happened, and the pack accepted that. It is what it is.