Jewish Mom and Muslim Father?

madera said:
why does anyone have to be taught religion?
I was not and found it when I was ready.
religion cant be taught anyway, it has to come from the heart.
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Very true. I do think some guidance is in order though. Not, you have to believe this way or that way, but just some basic information to go on.
 
Frosted, my impression from life experiences is that a lot of people are hostile to Christians because a lot of Christians are hostile to everyone else. It becomes something of a vicious circle.

Fortunately, there are always individuals who transcend the pettiness of Whack-a-Religion. A dear friend has raised her son as a Catholic, and she has made it her business to see that the boy has had experiences, attended services in many other varieties of Christianity, and nonChristian religions as well.

That is my idea of truly honoring religion.
 
Gordian Knot said:
Frosted, my impression from life experiences is that a lot of people are hostile to Christians because a lot of Christians are hostile to everyone else. It becomes something of a vicious circle.
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Maybe that's what's happening. All I know is, by the time *I* saunter in and sit down on the forum couch, the room immediately goes quiet. Everyone turns and stares at me. Fearing that if I say the wrong thing I may not be long for this world, I very slowly raise my hand.

"Um.... H-Hi. My name ... is ..... um.... Frosty."

One of the people in the room, I can't tell who, says, "AND????"

So I say... "Well... I-I'm a bible-believing Chri..."

And that's it.. I can't even finish the words. Like a crack of thunder, the whole room explodes with shouts and screams. Then the ring leader raises his sword and shouts... "SEIZE HIM!!!" And everyone in the room dashes toward me! I usually just barely make it. Often times I lose a piece of clothing during my frantic escape.

Anyway, that has caused me to think others are hostile to Christians but you raise a good point. Any number of things could have happened before I walked in. Maybe the Christians started it. It's hard to tell because none of them are left to tell me what happened.
 
Frosty,

Sorry about you losing your shirt! (ha)

I would like to say that we non-Christians (myself included) have always perceived Christians as having a "Jesus is the only way" and "It's our way or the highway" mind-set. It is for this reason we perceive animosity towards us, and yes, sometimes we are guilty of giving back animosity in kind.

But it seems there is a new type of Christian emerging, one who says that Jesus is not the only way. (Quite frankly, a lot of non-Christians -- myself included -- are skeptical.) But if this really does pan out, it will be a welcome change.

I do have a question. Is this 'new group of Christians' still saying that Jesus is/was a deity?
 
Nick the Pilot said:
Frosty,

Sorry about you losing your shirt! (ha)

I would like to say that we non-Christians (myself included) have always perceived Christians as having a "Jesus is the only way" and "It's our way or the highway" mind-set. It is for this reason we perceive animosity towards us, and yes, sometimes we are guilty of giving back animosity in kind.

But it seems there is a new type of Christian emerging, one who says that Jesus is not the only way. (Quite frankly, a lot of non-Christians -- myself included -- are skeptical.) But if this really does pan out, it will be a welcome change.

I do have a question. Is this 'new group of Christians' still saying that Jesus is/was a deity?
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I don't know. I imagine this emerging new type of Christian is part and parcel of what is called "Liberal Christian Theology." Liberal Christian Theology to me is completely foreign. When I first became aware of it, I was stunned. Liberal Christian Theology, according to Wiki, embraces "Eastern" concepts like philosophic perspectivism and moral relativism. Whereas me and my brothers and sisters believe absolute truth and moral absolutism. I read once that over 80% of the seminaries worldwide are pumping out "Liberal Christian" graduates. It is today's trend. The way I see it, most Liberal Christians today essentially toss the bible out the window and embrace a mixture of all belief systems they personally prefer. There is no real doctrine associated with LCT. I can't see any major difference between Liberal Christian Theology and New Age Philosophy.
 
Frosty,

This opens up other topics. For example, take the word "heathen" (meaning non-Christian, non-Jew, and non-Muslim). Just recently, I was watching a movie where someone cried out, "You heathen scum!". It's as if "heathen" is an insult. (It is.) It's as if the words "heathen" and "scum" are interchangeable. (They are.) Are these new "liberal Christians" ready to fight against the use of such language?

"I can't see any major difference between Liberal Christian Theology and New Age Philosophy."

--> I can. It is the question of Jesus being a deity. This is the major difference. (And it is a big difference indeed.) And if we add the issue of Heathenism, I know of some Buddhist, Hindu, and Jain New Age philosophers who are all "heathens".
 
Nick the Pilot said:
Frosty,

This opens up other topics. For example, take the word "heathen" (meaning non-Christian, non-Jew, and non-Muslim). Just recently, I was watching a movie where someone cried out, "You heathen scum!". It's as if "heathen" is an insult. (It is.) It's as if the words "heathen" and "scum" are interchangeable. (They are.) Are these new "liberal Christians" ready to fight against the use of such language?

"I can't see any major difference between Liberal Christian Theology and New Age Philosophy."

--> I can. It is the question of Jesus being a deity. This is the major difference. (And it is a big difference indeed.) And if we add the issue of Heathenism, I know some Buddhist, Hindu, and Jain New Age philosophers who are all "heathens".
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Actually, I don't think the deity of Christ is part of Liberal Christian Theology. The "Christian" part is that they believe Jesus was a great man, a great Rabbi and teacher. But they do not subscribe to the miracles in the bible such as Jesus' virgin birth and resurrection.
 
Frosty,

Another example. Are "Liberal Christians" in America ready to stand up and protest against the displaying of the Ten Commandments in courtrooms in America?

I ask these questions because, if these "Liberal Christians" are not ready to protest against the use of "heathen" as an insult, if they are not ready to protest against the displaying of the Ten Commandments in courtrooms in America, then I think we will continue to see the kinds of anti-Christian animosities that you have described.
 
Hey, Frosty, I thought I'd present one New Age interpretation of the "miracle of Jesus' virgin birth". The idea is, Jesus symbolizes our universe and the Virgin Mary symbolizes "a virgin, pre-matter substance from which universes are created". Jesus and Mary are seen as symbols rather than actual "deity and virgin" humans. (By the way, the exact same symbolism exists in Buddhism and Hinduism, too.)

Things being what they are, over the centuries, these "anthropomorphized symbols of cosmic principles" were eventually 'promoted' to becoming 'dogmatic fact humans'.
 
Frrostedman said:
Maybe that's what's happening. All I know is, by the time *I* saunter in and sit down on the forum couch, the room immediately goes quiet. Everyone turns and stares at me. Fearing that if I say the wrong thing I may not be long for this world, I very slowly raise my hand.

"Um.... H-Hi. My name ... is ..... um.... Frosty."

One of the people in the room, I can't tell who, says, "AND????"

So I say... "Well... I-I'm a bible-believing Chri..."

And that's it.. I can't even finish the words. Like a crack of thunder, the whole room explodes with shouts and screams. Then the ring leader raises his sword and shouts... "SEIZE HIM!!!" And everyone in the room dashes toward me! I usually just barely make it. Often times I lose a piece of clothing during my frantic escape.

Anyway, that has caused me to think others are hostile to Christians but you raise a good point. Any number of things could have happened before I walked in. Maybe the Christians started it. It's hard to tell because none of them are left to tell me what happened.
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Yeah there is some hostility toward Christianity here too, and the Christians here seem tired of defending themselves. I try to point out glaring generalizations of religious groups, hens my comment to you on another topic. And Thomas, a Catholic, is still semi-active. You might have some interesting exchanges with him.
 
Frrosted said "Maybe that's what's happening. All I know is, by the time *I* saunter in and sit down on the forum couch, the room immediately goes quiet. Everyone turns and stares at me. Fearing that if I say the wrong thing I may not be long for this world, I very slowly raise my hand."

Good Grief! What forums are you sitting down in? I've never seen such a reaction. Admittedly my forum hopping is not very extensive though.

You mentioned you don't know who 'started it'. Seems to me it doesn't really matter. Somehow it got started and now everyone is either on the defensive or on the attack. Which is really too bad, cause that helps not a single one.

By the way Frrosty, you are suddenly looking a whole lot, ummmm, Frrostier-er-er!
 
Gordian Knot said:
Frrosted said "Maybe that's what's happening. All I know is, by the time *I* saunter in and sit down on the forum couch, the room immediately goes quiet. Everyone turns and stares at me. Fearing that if I say the wrong thing I may not be long for this world, I very slowly raise my hand."

Good Grief! What forums are you sitting down in? I've never seen such a reaction. Admittedly my forum hopping is not very extensive though.

You mentioned you don't know who 'started it'. Seems to me it doesn't really matter. Somehow it got started and now everyone is either on the defensive or on the attack. Which is really too bad, cause that helps not a single one.

By the way Frrosty, you are suddenly looking a whole lot, ummmm, Frrostier-er-er!
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As far as what forums react like that.. well, I've been known to make use of hyperbole now and then. :D The truth is, I generally get a less than satisfactory response from most people as soon as they see I'm a bible-believing Christian. It's just not cool.

Yes, I changed my avatar because the other avatar I was using is the same one used by another user in a different place and I want to avoid possible confusion.
 
Frrostedman said:
Actually, I don't think the deity of Christ is part of Liberal Christian Theology. The "Christian" part is that they believe Jesus was a great man, a great Rabbi and teacher. But they do not subscribe to the miracles in the bible such as Jesus' virgin birth and resurrection.
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I don't think there is one "Liberal Christian Theology." I've known liberal Christians who believed in Jesus' divinity. And others who didn't.

btw, I'm a Jew who doubts that Moses actually led the Hebrews out of Egypt, and doubts the version in Exodus even more.
 
LincolnSpector said:
I don't think there is one "Liberal Christian Theology." I've known liberal Christians who believed in Jesus' divinity. And others who didn't.

btw, I'm a Jew who doubts that Moses actually led the Hebrews out of Egypt, and doubts the version in Exodus even more.
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What does this have to do with the child?
 
my marriage was is complicated, we thought we were Muslims now we are more Christian. Our kids are learning about Christianity although they are free to choose their own religion when they are old enough.

So teach them about both faiths and let them be free to go either or other way.

on a side note I am rather surprised at the amount of anti Christian venom and bile that fills many of the posters here :confused:
 
The OP asks: "What would the child be if the father is Muslim and mother Jewish? " I just do not understand what liberal Christian belief or your view on the Exodus has to do with that question. Sorry if I sounded terse.
 
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