Is a belief in God necessary for morality - A new study

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A study by the Pew Research Center has discovered that by a big margin, the more poorly a nation has developed, the more its people believed a belief in God was required for a person to have good morals. The more highly developed the country, the fewer believed that belief in a God was a requirement.

With one glaring exception. The United States of America is about the only highly developed country in the world where a majority (slightly over half) of people believed a belief in God was a requirement for good morality. That number is almost double what the people in most European countries said.

This week (March 2014), Pew Research Center published the results of a survey conducted among 40,080 people in 40 countries between 2011 and 2013. The survey asked a simple question: Is belief in God essential to morality? While clear majorities say it is necessary, the U.S. continues to be an outlier.

In 22 of the 40 countries surveyed, the majority says it is necessary to believe in God in order to be a moral person. “This position is highly prevalent, if not universal, in Africa and the Middle East,” says the report. No surprise there, but Asian and Latin countries such as Indonesia (99 percent), Malaysia (89 percent), the Philippines (99 percent), El Salvador (93 percent), and Brazil (86 percent) all fell in the highest percentile of respondents believing belief in a god (small G) is central to having good values.

Interestingly, clear majorities in all highly developed countries do not think belief in god to be necessary for morality, with one exception only: the USA.

Only 15 percent of the French population answered in the affirmative. Spain: 19 percent. Australia: 23 percent. Britain: 20 percent. Italy: 27 percent. Canada: 31 percent. Germany 33 percent. Israel: 37 percent.

So what of the U.S.? A comparatively eye-popping 53 percent of Americans essentially believe atheists and agnostics are living in sin. Despite the fact that a research analyst at the Federal Bureau of Prisons determined that atheists are thoroughly underrepresented in the places where rapists, thieves and murderers invariably end up: prisons. While atheists make upward of 15 percent of the U.S. population, they only make up 0.2 percent of the prison population.

With the exception of the U.S. and China, the survey finds that those “in richer nations tend to place less emphasis on the need to believe in God to have good values than people in poorer countries do.”


The destructive myth about religion that Americans disproportionately believe - Salon.com
 
My off-the-cuff reactions are
1. 1,000 people questioned per country? Not very representative.
2. Are the opinions of people who may never thought about the subject before being questioned worth the paper their written on?
There's rubbish, utter rubbish, and opinion polls.
 
Well it's a study of what people believe, and that is what is believed.
 
The interesting part of this discussion is China. I live in Communist China and I have spent a good deal of time talking about religion with Chinese people. The simple fact is, Chairman Mao was very successful in wiping out and discrediting religion in China. To this day, religion in China has still not recovered (and is still suppressed to a certain extent).
 
It has been said that one can prove anything you want with statistics. That is a true statement. That does not necessarily mean that all such studies are useless. The thing to look for is how much does the those responsible have to gain from a certain result.

Cigarette companies who did studies that proved smoking was not damaging to your health, for example. Nobody in their right mind would trust such a study.

Research comes down to the trustworthiness of the group doing the study. The Pew Institute has a good reputation. This study in particular, Pew had no horses in this race to oblige them to skew the results.
 
Well the obvious answer is no.

With the exception of the U.S. and China, the survey finds that those “in richer nations tend to place less emphasis on the need to believe in God to have good values than people in poorer countries do.”
Depends on the values. Richer nations tend to the self-serving more than the poorer ... or rather, richer nations tend to express a desire for their creature comforts more than they express a desire for God.

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A study by the Pew Research Center has discovered that by a big margin, the more poorly a nation has developed, the more its people believed a belief in God was required for a person to have good morals. The more highly developed the country, the fewer believed that belief in a God was a requirement.

Not necessarily a requirement to define morality. However, either poor nations believe in God or developed ones don't, the truth that the universe was caused to exist, no one can escape from. It happens that the universe is composed of matter and, since matter cannot cause itself to exist, it is only obvious that some thing that preceded it did that job. What could it have been if not some thing of the "size" of the Primal Cause?

We do not need to blare to the whole world that we believe in God or don't but, in our hearts the notion dwells that of the Divine Reality no one can escape.
 
I dont belive believing In god has anything to with morality.
I believe when a person is seeking to overcome their pains and tribulations, they will become better people, not trying to be moral, yet finding their morals change In the proccess.
 
I dont belive believing In god has anything to with morality.
I believe when a person is seeking to overcome their pains and tribulations, they will become better people, not trying to be moral, yet finding their morals change In the proccess.

I agree with you that, indeed, to believe in God has nothing to do with morality but, commitment to the laws does; whether be it God's Law understood by the Biblical Decalogue, the law of the land or the law of cause and effect morality is enhanced.
 
I agree with you that, indeed, to believe in God has nothing to do with morality but, commitment to the laws does; whether be it God's Law understood by the Biblical Decalogue, the law of the land or the law of cause and effect morality is enhanced.

Hi nice to meet you.
I have gone through years of overcoming my angry nature and without trying, my morality changed naturally.
I couldnt have said better than your reply.
 
Hi nice to meet you.
I have gone through years of overcoming my angry nature and without trying, my morality changed naturally.
I couldnt have said better than your reply.

Objectivity is the name: Living and experiencing what enhances morality. Simply to believe is akin to faith, a too subjective concept.
 
Objectivity is the name: Living and experiencing what enhances morality. Simply to believe is akin to faith, a too subjective concept.

anyone can claim to believe, anyone can claim anything.
but words don't mean a thing if , as they say, words don't mean a thing. If you ain't got that thing.

goodnight.
 
anyone can claim to believe, anyone can claim anything.
but words don't mean a thing if , as they say, words don't mean a thing. If you ain't got that thing.

goodnight.

That's exactly what I said above: Objectivity. Just to claim to believe is too subjective.
 
That's exactly what I said above: Objectivity. Just to claim to believe is too subjective.

perhaps it is too objective for many, but many who also are truly Christians, who have a relationship with the Holy Spirit know without a doubt believe in their very souls and know God.
it is obvious that you have not found it yet.
The bible says many will not. Idon't believe we have the choice
I don.t know why, but God knows our hearts.
 
Whenever someone puts up a study, it is natural for a lot of people to respond with their own personal opinions. Which is fine, albeit besides the point. A study is a statistical analysis of some sort. Whether any one of us believes one way or the other does not address the point of the thread - the study.

Thomas suggests that the people in richer nations have more a desire for their creature comforts more than they express a desire for God(s). I don't disagree with that. Again though, the study was not about people's desire for God(s). The study stated that there appears to be a direct link between the wealth of a nation and whether or not people believe that morality must be based on belief in a God(s).

This is a study on how people decide who has a good morality. Richer nations tend to believe that belief in a God is not a prerequisite to have good morals. Poorer nations tend to believe that belief in a God is required to have good morals.

The question to be answered is why does the wealth of a nation, or lack thereof, seem to strongly affect whether belief in God is necessary for good morals.
 
Thomas suggests that the people in richer nations have more a desire for their creature comforts more than they express a desire for God(s).
I was just pointing out a tendency. There are other, contra-tendencies. People cough up millions for disaster relief. We have TV fundraising events: Children in Need, Sports Relief, etc ... and year on year the totals raised increases. Even across the Recession.

A child falls in a pool, and is drowning. A grown-up jumps in to pull the child out, wearing, and ruining, a really expensive suit. Does the grown-up mind? No. Well, maybe a bit of a fuss ... but he or she would do it again. No-one would say, "I saw the child drowning, but what could I do? This suit cost me ..."

But would he or she forgo the suit to donate that money to kids dying in the Third World? We're charitable when someone pulls our heartstrings. Not out of principle. Look at the money spent on fashion, cosmetics ... on one's 'self image'. Consider the difference that could make to the world.

I think it's also statistically evident that the poor are generally more charitable than the rich? In that a poor family will share what it has, and what it shares is statistically a greater percentage of its gross? I'm sure I heard something along those lines ... that their material compassion is 'greater' according to what little they had to start with, compared to the material compassion of those who do?

This is a study on how people decide who has a good morality. Richer nations tend to believe that belief in a God is not a prerequisite to have good morals. Poorer nations tend to believe that belief in a God is required to have good morals.
I don't know the answer ...

But two things:
Suffering: Buddhism is founded on it. Maybe there is a tendency to hope and believe in some sort of 'purpose' to life, when life seems to include so much suffering?

Maybe in the absence of suffering we become more preoccupied with our own pleasures? The love of mammon?

My partner met an old man in Prague. He pointed out the window where he had shot at invading Germans, and later invading Russians. He was arrested, but escaped imprisonment because he was a university professor who worked as an interpreter for the authorities.

In many ways, he said, he rued the passing of the old era. Then no-one had anything. Today, now in contact with the West, we export all our material trivia to the East. The first places to open in Prague were McDonalds, Starbucks, Benetton and the Cola companies ... now the divide between rich and poor is increasing in relation to the wealth of the few who can afford to shop there.

It's not a rule, of course ... but it is a fact of life.
 
perhaps it is too objective for many, but many who also are truly Christians, who have a relationship with the Holy Spirit know without a doubt believe in their very souls and know God.
it is obvious that you have not found it yet.
The bible says many will not. Idon't believe we have the choice
I don.t know why, but God knows our hearts.

Just me, not that my intention is to deny your assertion that "true" Christians have a spiritual relationship with God but, throughout the Tanach, the Lord would not have a spiritual relationship with false prophets. Now, as the NT is concerned, Jesus made it very clear that the Lord does not have a spiritual relationship with those who do not live according to the Law and the Prophets. (Mat. 5:17-19) Also Isaiah says that those who do not speak according to the Law and the Prophets, it is because there is no truth in what they say. (Isa. 8:20) My question is: Do "true" Christians teach according to the Law and the Prophets? They can't because Paul the founder of Christianity used to preach against the Law and used his policy of Replacement Theology to teach against both, the Law and the Prophets.(Acts 21:21; Heb. 7:12,22)
 
Again....the PEW study does NOT say a belief in G!d is required for morality.


The pew study simply asked the question.... and the majority of the people responding said they 'believe' a belief in G!d is necessary for morality.....big difference....heck if you ask Americans they think Budweiser is good beer too.

So now what someone needs to do is make comparisons in the Phillipines and El Salvador, versus France or Spain and Birmingham and Charlotte vs. Seattle and Boston, to see if their is a correlation for morality from those very high percentages to the very low...
 
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