Ultra-Orthodox Jews delay flight, refuse to sit next to women

wil said:
So I finally found some jews who actually knew about it and were able to discuss it...Yay.
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I'm sure you'll find people to support whatever viewpoint you want to put forth.
 
"So I finally found some jews who actually knew about it and were able to discuss it...Yay."

--> I'm glad to hear it.
 
Dan0813 said:
I'm sure you'll find people to support whatever viewpoint you want to put forth.
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I am trying to find explanations for alternate viewpoints...

You have been stonewalling discussion on this from the beginning...

We have zero clue as to your defense of these actions.

If you were more forthcoming we might understand your viewpoint.
 
Wil, you said,

"...it is a mitzvah to set religious rules aside to abide by the law and traditions of the land you choose to live in, be in."

--> For the record, for law-enforcement purposes, passengers on an Israeli flight bound for America are still considered to be on Israeli soil while the plane is in the air to America. And, on the way back, as soon as that door is closed on the ground for the return to Israel, at that exact moment, the passengers are again considered to be on Israeli soil for law-enforcement purposes. So all of this 'occurred on Israeli soil'.
 
Nick the Pilot said:
Wil, you said,

"...it is a mitzvah to set religious rules aside to abide by the law and traditions of the land you choose to live in, be in."

--> For the record, for law-enforcement purposes, passengers on an Israeli flight bound for America are still considered to be on Israeli soil while the plane is in the air to America. And, on the way back, as soon as that door is closed on the ground for the return to Israel, at that exact moment, the passengers are again considered to be on Israeli soil for law-enforcement purposes. So all of this 'occurred on Israeli soil'.
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If all that is the case....if the folks throwing temper tantrums were in the right...there would have been no issues...the filght attendants would not have been asking the men to get out of the aisles...they would have immediately directed the women to move.
 
Dan0813 said:
Did Hatshepsut ask you to speak for him?
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We're all just trying to get along, if you want a privet discussion with a poster I recommend using the PM function of the forum. You can find it by clicking the posters name.
 
wil said:
If all that is the case....if the folks throwing temper tantrums were in the right...there would have been no issues...the filght attendants would not have been asking the men to get out of the aisles...they would have immediately directed the women to move.
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Let's not call it temper tantrums, it's rather demeaning, it was obviously an unfortunate situation of everyone involved. But what I don't understand is how you extrapolated that the orthodox was in the right bas on Nicks clarification. Being on Israeli soil doesn't necessarily change safety procedure during flight.
 
"Being on Israeli soil doesn't necessarily change safety procedure during flight."

--> Right. I'm wondering if their understanding of 'mitzvah' allows them to try these shenanigans on Israeli airplanes, then stop when they get to American soil.
 
I said if that was the case...if Israeli air thought this was acceptable behaviour....then they would have not asked the men in the aisle to sit...they would have been instructing the women to switch seats...

hell, I don't appreciate switching seats...I pay extra (today's ways) for aisle seats on the exit row to get leg room... I PAY EXTRA.... Why should I give that seat up and move to the middle or window of a narrower aisle??

Again.... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to book your group in seats together...
 
A Cup Of Tea said:
We're all just trying to get along, if you want a privet discussion with a poster I recommend using the PM function of the forum. You can find it by clicking the posters name.
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I was responding to a comment made in the thread. If the comment had been made privately, I would have replied privately.
 
Your countered by ignoring what I said and repeating the same things you had already stated.
 
I did not ignore.... I stated the obvious...

If you want to travel...you abide by the rules...want to sit alone, buy first class tickets and reserve the seat next to you. It ain't rocket science... Can't afford to buy the seat?? Then either don't fly or don't bitch.

Truth be known, I'd love to be on their next flight...I'll gladly allow the women to sit next to me!
 
A Cup Of Tea said:
Let's not call it temper tantrums, it's rather demeaning, it was obviously an unfortunate situation of everyone involved. But what I don't understand is how you extrapolated that the orthodox was in the right bas on Nicks clarification. Being on Israeli soil doesn't necessarily change safety procedure during flight.
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I do know what you are saying...but I have seen better behaviour from two year olds.
 
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