God is not to Mock

[Thomas]

Religion is a particular expression of union.

There's none higher.

We use it to divide.

Speak for yourself. That may be the case, but it's not the fault of religion per se, it's the fault of man.

Words can't unify unless they come from unity.

And they can't unify if they are not received in the spirit of their meaning.

The tendency is to unify.
Most become partial though.
They have united with part.

Not quite sure who or what you're referring to here.

Communion is the expression of that meeting point.

There you go then, an argument for the validity of religion.

 

[SatyamAbhidi]

There's none higher.

Still, the expression is not the actuality.

It is an attempt to communicate the actuality.

Speak for yourself. That may be the case, but it's not the fault of religion per se, it's the fault of man.

That fault is because each religion is partial. The follower cannot be anything else.

And they can't unify if they are not received in the spirit of their meaning.

I think the spirit of their meaning is unification.

There you go then, an argument for the validity of religion.

It is a valid expression.

 

[SatyamAbhidi]

Union is the goal of religion.

Unity is the source of religion.

Communion is living it.

Every expression, unique.

 

[wil]

Are you two speaking of the same communion?

 

[SatyamAbhidi]

Are you two speaking of the same communion?

I am speaking on what the word conveys.

Ritual is just acting it out.

That isn't the point.

 

[Thomas]

Ritual is just acting it out.

Rather a sweeping assumption, I would have thought.

What you mean is, you don't see anything in it, but that doesn't mean there's nothing there.

 

[wil]

I am speaking on what the word conveys.

Ritual is just acting it out.

That isn't the point.

What does the word convey to you?

 

[SatyamAbhidi]

Rather a sweeping assumption, I would have thought.

What you mean is, you don't see anything in it, but that doesn't mean there's nothing there.

I am saying the ritual is the particular actions which are given to represent something.

I am not rejecting that something deeper is there... I am saying that the deeper reality is more important. It should remain whether you are acting out programmed actions or responding naturally to life as it comes.

Communion should never be broken.

 

[SatyamAbhidi]

What does the word convey to you?

I have said several times...

Communion is living in unity.

It is the result of union.

Of what?

Yogi's say Atman and Brahman, or Purusha and Prakriti.

It is transcendental to the person and world.

The place from where all is known.

It is life, united.

 

[wil]

Living in Unity with man?

Or G!d?

or Nature?

or all?

 

[SatyamAbhidi]

Living in Unity with man?

Or G!d?

or Nature?

or all?

It is not true union if it excludes.

The tendency of ego is to exclude...

It is fun to watch because actually it is rejecting what has already been.

What is more fun is it is usually taking stances on what has already ceased to be so.

Thus, union is found in the overcoming of this perceived and projected separation.

Religions attempt to show how.

 

[SatyamAbhidi]

For me, God is that unity.

Nature is an expression of that union.

I am not sure why you have said "Nature" and "all"...

What is not natural?

What life does is its nature to do.

 

[wil]

If G!d is all...

Then you have no issues communing with others versions of communion?

If G!d is all...

and you are in communion with G!d...

then you have no disagreements with other folks beliefs...

yes? no?

 

[SatyamAbhidi]

If G!d is all...

Then you have no issues communing with others versions of communion?

If G!d is all...

and you are in communion with G!d...

then you have no disagreements with other folks beliefs...

yes? no?

How to say absolutely yes or no?

It is relative, depends on the belief.

If the belief is towards union, I am fine with it.

If the belief is separatist, for me, it is dangerous.

 

[SatyamAbhidi]

You can't be in union and remain partial.

When we choose part, we are excluding the rest.

This exclusion is destructive, it has justified all manner of disgusting acts.

Further, the choice is made by ego, life already contains it all.

Your choice is meaningless.

The movement of life is to unitize.

Suffering is basically caused by rejection.

You aren't a unity, this part you don't accept.

This is the disease religion cures.

 

[donnann]

How to say absolutely yes or no?

It is relative, depends on the belief.

If the belief is towards union, I am fine with it.

If the belief is separatist, for me, it is dangerous.

The whole concept of jesus is towards union as it is with every basic religions belief . The problem is how do we get there? I believe it through understanding and knowledge of each other instead of separating ourselves from others .

 

[SatyamAbhidi]

The whole concept of jesus is towards union as it is with every basic religions belief . The problem is how do we get there? I believe it through understanding and knowledge of each other instead of separating ourselves from others .

Yes, what understanding what?

Knowledge is actually the division.

Unity is already so, we break it down using mind.

 

[donnann]

Yes, what understanding what?

Knowledge is actually the division.

Unity is already so, we break it down using mind.

Knowledge is an understanding and with the progression of knowledge so that people agree based on an understanding brings unity. It is the lack of knowledge that causes people to disagree and that brings division.

 

[SatyamAbhidi]

Knowledge is an understanding and with the progression of knowledge so that people agree based on an understanding brings unity. It is the lack of knowledge that causes people to disagree and that brings division.

No, knowledge is information.

It is, as I've said, a purely mental faculty.

Understanding can result from knowledge.

Yet, not understood, knowledge is very dangerous.

 

[donnann]

No, knowledge is information.

It is, as I've said, a purely mental faculty.

Understanding can result from knowledge.

Yet, not understood, knowledge is very dangerous.

Knowledge is a mental faculty and because your spirit is pure whole body consciousness it is important for salvation. Knowledge of the divine is not dangerous and I don't understand why you would think it is. Can you explain why?