If prayer works

[EricPH]

Much more aligned to gratitude and giving thanx under the worst of conditions, I appreciate life and breath and the angina pain that knocked me out of my chair as I wake up on the floor.

Surviving stuff is often a time to reflect, I think being able to give thanks after bad things happen, is where we find peace.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Surviving stuff is often a time to reflect, I think being able to give thanks after bad things happen, is where we find peace.

Had a brush, left a patch of insensitive skin on my back. But one of these days, probably it will come back.

 

[spiritualbee]

Many if not most on this site believe me to have rose colored glasses in regards to the state of our current world and future...

My question for those believers in G!d answering prayers...

If you think also the world is in turmoil... Where do you think it would be without praying?

Billions have been praying for peace...have they been praying the wrong way? And if their prayers have been answered....this current situation is the result?

Good question.
Pray does work.
And I did not always pray.
We become aware of wrongdoers.
But we belong also to the wrongdoers.
Unawarely.
Not necessarily awarly.
The wrong teach us to know what we want not and to also not to want to do to others anymore.
But praying is miraculeus.
We complain but do not pray.
Something keeps us away from praying and to forget praying and many claim full of pride it is because of them.
So this way God gives the chance to become an atheist or anti God,
so you arrogant think the cause of evil is because of your strong will and mind power.
Why does god allow that.

You know.
Just love God as God is and experience only god. All the rest is relevant.
God is almighty. But mostly in being all we would never think of.
Look at nerves in a leaf. So beautiful. God exist. I can see clearly now.
Ask God. Pray to god. And he gives you an answer you would never think about your self.
Belief me, many pray not or forget and complain.
This was for me the case. Now I love praying and find what to me always is new.
I still need to learn a lot. But God always teach me the same. He still loves me. Perhaps this world not but God does , for the way I am.

 

[spiritualbee]

Many if not most on this site believe me to have rose colored glasses in regards to the state of our current world and future...

My question for those believers in G!d answering prayers...

If you think also the world is in turmoil... Where do you think it would be without praying?

Billions have been praying for peace...have they been praying the wrong way? And if their prayers have been answered....this current situation is the result?

My prayers worked.

Many if not most on this site believe me to have rose colored glasses in regards to the state of our current world and future...

My question for those believers in G!d answering prayers...

If you think also the world is in turmoil... Where do you think it would be without praying?

Billions have been praying for peace...have they been praying the wrong way? And if their prayers have been answered....this current situation is the result?

My prayers works.

 

[Aupmanyav]

It has been two years for the Ukraine war one year for Israel war. Didn't you ever think of praying for them?

 

[wil]

It has been two years for the Ukraine war one 0year for Israel war. Didn't you ever think of praying for them?

The furthest my belief goes is pray but move your feet...ie. take action.

That we are in fact the collective consciousness that needs to do something to foment change.

Or G!d can only do for us what G!d can do thru us.

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

Nothing is gained by merely wishing, but if one wishes others well, one gains that what one gave. Understand?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Nothing is gained by merely wishing, but if one wishes others well, one gains that what one gave. Understand?

Not always.

 

[spiritualbee]

Nothing is gained by merely wishing, but if one wishes others well, one gains that what one gave. Understand?

Prying is not wishing.
You need to belief in a higher force to pray like God.
Perhaps you are an atheist and belief not in God.
God is the cause of the existing of space and time we travel in.
So thank God for that.

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

Not always.

Not always understanding, or not always gaining fruits from good labor? As for the second: that fruits do not akways appear right after, doesn't means that deeds are fruitless, good householder.
Giving freedom, sharing goodwill, toward all beings is cause of what's called cettovimutti. Of course doing such requires right understanding and lake of hypocrisy with it, knowing the way toward release.

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

Prying is not wishing.
You need to belief in a higher force to pray like God.
Perhaps you are an atheist and belief not in God.
God is the cause of the existing of space and time we travel in.
So thank God for that.

That's pretty foolish, causes inaction and believes even that a fool is a fool because of a higher being.
To know that nobody is able to work anothers way out, do the task for another, doesn't mean that one denys the existing of refined and higher existence and beings, nor is such a kind of disregard. It's just that, say Musk, to have something more near, couldn't help good householder to overcome any suffering, even if having a lot of merits. Beings are heir of their actions, and itjs not others who are responsibly for their destiny, yet of cause always receiving goodness of others.

Your better do good and let yourself go of wishing to control others (Brahmas, btw, do not control others at all, they just wish them to do the right to gain wished, ease).

The person, the God here, the creator of this space, forum owner, would be good to thanks, of course, if feeling that receiving sacrifices. While gratitude is very importand, using a good to deny debt and responsibility and oversee actually sacrifices is pretty god-less, goodwill-less, good householder.

And to make somebody else responsible for birth, aging, sickness and death would just increase anger. Who, if not total confused, would be grateful toward an creator of suffering and stress?

And even if my person would wish yours to understand, it's up to good householder and ends right by wishing well, with it or without it, for the wishers part.

 

[spiritualbee]

That's pretty foolish, causes inaction and believes even that a fool is a fool because of a higher being.
To know that nobody is able to work anothers way out, do the task for another, doesn't mean that one denys the existing of refined and higher existence and beings, nor is such a kind of disregard. It's just that, say Musk, to have something more near, couldn't help good householder to overcome any suffering, even if having a lot of merits. Beings are heir of their actions, and itjs not others who are responsibly for their destiny, yet of cause always receiving goodness of others.

Your better do good and let yourself go of wishing to control others (Brahmas, btw, do not control others at all, they just wish them to do the right to gain wished, ease).

The person, the God here, the creator of this space, forum owner, would be good to thanks, of course, if feeling that receiving sacrifices. While gratitude is very importand, using a good to deny debt and responsibility and oversee actually sacrifices is pretty god-less, goodwill-less, good householder.

And to make somebody else responsible for birth, aging, sickness and death would just increase anger. Who, if not total confused, would be grateful toward an creator of suffering and stress?

And even if my person would wish yours to understand, it's up to good householder and ends right by wishing well, with it or without it, for the wishers part.

Our system is so good that we even take care of those we are married to and therefore we do not interfere with those we are not married to and allow them their privacy and respect them. You are very impersonal. Maybe you do not like to be personal and prefer to keep your distance from others which I respect. What is wrong with believing in God if you believe in a higher power? We invented hierarchy and masters to replace God for atheists which does not work.
I pray to God.
And that works.
That is proof.
You can do the same. You pray to God. You will see the result yourself.
Miracles come from God.
By miracle I mean the unexpected which a human being cannot think of always in the most loving way.
Or you believe in hierarchy and masters like esotericus who do not believe in God but at the same time say that we are a god.
I cannot do what God can do.
God does not get the blame from me as atheists do but the credit for the good causes. To study the Bible I recommend studying Hebrew and the Torah and not the translations of them into other languages.

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

Our system is so good that we even take care of those we are married to and therefore we do not interfere with those we are not married to and allow them their privacy and respect them.

That's good and called virtuous. Yet it's not because of a God that one acts virtuous or become an adulterer or one who goes after others beloved.

What is wrong with believing in God if you believe in a higher power?

Because it leads to inaction and gives way to deny responsibility.

I pray to God.
And that works.
That is proof.

Then pray on that not meeting aging, sickness, death and disparity... or that getting to eat tomorrow...

You can do the same. You pray to God. You will see the result yourself.
Miracles come from God.

It's right, that a virtuous person, respecting Gods and Devas, will often meet auspicious things, like as if one serves a person of higher class. It's praiseworthy to sacrifices and venerate more Sublime, and it's a reward that those likewise look after one like if their child.

Yet also your mother, as well as the most powerful person, can't do your work, can't act right for you and what ever experiencing is a fruit of own deeds.

I cannot do what God can do.

Who says such? Gods don't just fall from heaven. It's a matter of right practice not only to gain existence in their union, but also to become one. Like becoming president. But they likewise aren't inherent free from defilments and as well subject to aging and death.

To study the Bible I recommend

Why should one do such... Better to get them and their realms known, or remembered, by oneself.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Perhaps you are an atheist and belief not in God.

Yeah, he is a Buddhist as his name indicates.

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

Yeah, he is a Buddhist as his name indicates.

Shiva and Indra as well, they are even Ariya-puggala, Noble follower, as well as many Brahmas, including Mahabrahma. Of course there are plenty of Gods and deities who don't gained the merits yet to be devoted to the Gems. And there are plenty of people fabricating a lot of selfish stories and bombastic about their "parents" for certain agendas and politics for gains in the world.

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

Abhivādana-sīlissa
Niccaṃ vuḍḍhāpacāyino
Cattāro dhammā vaḍḍhanti
Āyu vaṇṇo sukhaṃ, balaṃ.
For one of respectful nature who
constantly honors the worthy,
Four qualities increase:
long life, beauty, happiness, strength.

 

[Aupmanyav]

As for the second: that fruits do not always appear right after, doesn't means that deeds are fruitless, good householder.
Giving freedom, sharing goodwill, toward all beings is cause of what's called cettovimutti. Of course doing such requires right understanding and lake of hypocrisy with it, knowing the way toward release.

That is true. Deeds may be fruitless for the person, but may affect other jeevas.
The best explanation for 'karma' that some one told me is that 'karmas' are like billiard balls. Once set in motion, they will always have their effects, but not necessarily for the person who performed the karma.
'Karmas' do not die, people die. Karmas have more 'atta' than people.

I have one foot in Parmarthika Satya the other in Vyavaharika Satya. I know what you are saying in Paramarthika Satya but I do not know it in Vyavaharika Satya.

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

That is true. Deeds may be fruitless for the person, but may affect other jeevas.

Nonsens. Nobody is hire of your deeds aside of good householder.

The best explanation for 'karma' that some one told me is that 'karmas' are like billiard balls. Once set in motion, they will always have their effects, but not necessarily for the person who performed the karma.
'Karmas' do not die, people die. Karmas have more 'atta' than people.

While the idea of Kamma (action by body, speecy, mind), and here also of their fruits, comes for scientific delusions, it's right that nothing else that one's action can be rightly seen as own, and it's most importand to get that baken.

I have one foot in Parmarthika Satya the other in Vyavaharika Satya.

Satta, by definition, relays on what's not own. But they "have", hold, feets, yes.

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

Satta, by definition, relays on what's not own. But they "have", hold, feets, yes.

Correction, as misreaded Satva. Sacca, truth. It's wise to get familare with the Ariya-sacca

• The Four Noble Truths (cattari ariya saccani)

, which are of course paramattha.

 

[Aupmanyav]

What is wrong with believing in God if you believe in a higher power?
And that works. That is proof.
Or you believe in hierarchy and masters like esotericus who do not believe in God but at the same time say that we are a god.
I cannot do what God can do.
To study the Bible I recommend studying Hebrew and the Torah and not the translations of them into other languages.

What is wrong is that it is not true. I do not believe in any higher power and perhaps our Buddhist friend here also does not.
If it works for you, it is OK for you. That also is true that it does not work for many other people.
I follow science, I do not believe in existence of miracles.
I do not see any esoterics in that. The whole universe is composed of time/space/energy. Even a dog, or a stone is not different from us.
God is a fake idea, unless you can give me some evidence of God's existence.
Now, I do know Hebrew, therefore I had to read the English versions of Bible. I also do not know Koine Greek. I had no other option.