You Must Eat Beef?

Namaste Jesus said:
No, nothing beyond what I've heard from family members involved in the church there, but do read the rest of the thread. In Particular, my comments in post #19. Also, another member has already contacted The Methodist Church in Fiji, (Post #15). Not surprisingly, they deny any knowledge of this practice whatsoever.

As I said in post #22, I believe this is a carryover from Fiji's anti-Hinduism days rather than something based on actual doctrine or official church policy.
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Seems like gossip. For all we know it couldn't been started by Hindu's who didn't like their relatives becoming Christian.

~ Aetius
 
Aetius said:
Seems like gossip. For all we know it couldn't been started by Hindu's who didn't like their relatives becoming Christian.

~ Aetius
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You're entitled to your opinion of course, but that's definitely not the case. The events described in post #3 and post #19 below did actually take place...

Namaste Jesus said:
There does seem to be a sort of gang mentality at play here. The Fiji Methodist church has backed 3 of the 4 coups there. Essentially the ones that sought to limit the rights of the Hindu population. The last coup however, took place as the result of Fiji becoming close to being declared a Christian state. The then military leader, Josaia Voreqe Bainimarama, took matters into his own hands to put a stop to it. This coup the Methodist Church was apposed to. Josaia Voreqe Bainimarama has been in control since 2007 and is now the duly elected Prime Minister. He has fought hard to improve Fiji and promote racial and religious equality.
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Namaste Jesus said:
As for the Methodist church there, while it's not part of the official church doctrine for Hindus converting to Christian to eat beef, there is a certain amount of pressure placed on them to do so.

A while back, one of my nephews converted to Christian from Hindu and now attends a local Methodist church in Fiji. He and nearly half the congregation are Indian and live in Hindu households where eating beef is strictly forbidden. Despite this, or perhaps because of it, the church leaders organized a luncheon where beef was served. No one was forced to eat it mind you, but when several people refused, it was strongly implied that if they wanted to be Christian they had to give up all Hindu ways. That's what actually prompted me to start this thread over 6 months ago. It just struck me as being incredibly insensitive.
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Well we know for a fact there is no bigotry regarding other races, nationalities or religions in Christian churches in the US!! That just doesn't exist!

Seriously...what happens in one church should not color the entire "Church" but it normally does. As does when someone feels boxed into a corner it is natural for them to come out swinging...

As is it true that folks don't blame anything on immigrants.... even tho you know they don't send us their best and their brightest and they are taking our jobs and our women...
 
It is also true that people like to paint with a wide brush, bearing false witness with gossip and half truths.

~ Aetius
 
wil said:
...we should all just hope it was an isolated experience.
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I second that. If it did happen let's pray it was an isolated experience, the church should repent and be ashamed.

~ Aetius
 
Bhaktajan II said:
I would welcome the challenge Abdullah if you will allow me to attempt to summerise to you "What is Karma"?

The challenge is for me. If you allow me to attempt, to the best of my ability, to explain, as I have learnt from bonefide sources, the orthodox explanation of KARMA.

What is indirectly interesting about this topic of KARMA is that it is not about a particular faith. Karma is about mechanical movement. Like physics...but that further explanation "by me" must be one where I text very little as I address your questions ---in regards to the definition of Karma--- one question at a time until I complete my explanation of KARMA and you are left to grade me on how well I explained it.

Are you interested? If so begin a question in regards to the definition of Karma.
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Thanks Bakhtajan, I would lurrve to learn about karma.

My understanding of it is that it is a metaphysical law associated with the physical too but many a times it's hard to see the physical link

My understanding is very rudimentary; just the common understanding of 'what goes round comes round', I.e. if you do bad, some bad consequence will befall you from God
 
I think the request for Hindu converts to Islam to eat beaf is to prove a point or to sort of 'cleanse yourself' from previous beliefs by acting contrary to it.

So a Hindu who believed the cow was his god and would never kill a cow or eat it as part of him sanctifying his god, eats beef to cleanse himself of that belief
 
Abdullah said:
I think the request for Hindu converts to Islam to eat beaf is to prove a point or to sort of 'cleanse yourself' from previous beliefs by acting contrary to it.

So a Hindu who believed the cow was his god and would never kill a cow or eat it as part of him sanctifying his god, eats beef to cleanse himself of that belief
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The Hindus of Fiji, the subject of this thread, do not believe cows are gods. Cows are however viewed as sacred, maternal creatures, providers of milk, ghee and other staples of the Hindu diet. Helping till fields, providing fertilizer to nourish the soil and so fourth. Cows are therefore honored and respected, not worshiped as gods. Lord Krishna taught this, he himself a cowherd, often depicted with a cow by his side representing the cooperation of man and cow. A trust a devout Hindu would never betray.
 
Namaste Jesus said:
The Hindus of Fiji, the subject of this thread, do not believe cows are gods. Cows are however viewed as sacred, maternal creatures, providers of milk, ghee and other staples of the Hindu diet. Helping till fields, providing fertilizer to nourish the soil and so fourth. Cows are therefore honored and respected, not worshiped as gods. Lord Krishna taught this, he himself a cowherd, often depicted with a cow by his side representing the cooperation of man and cow. A trust a devout Hindu would never betray.
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Thanks that's interesting

A cow just like all other animals are honoured and respected in Islam too as they are Gods creatures. There is a hadith of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) that he said, 'don't beat a cow, it does more chanting (I.e. praising God) than you', which goes to show how animals are devout worshippers of God too.

However they are not considered sacred as this might be getting too close to considering them divine. There is a fine line between sacred and divinity.
 
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