Burqa or chador?

Al-Fatihah said:
Response: I said evidence of truth is based on logic from firsthand, observable and testable evidence and deductive logic based on such evidence. No where does it say something is true because I or someone else says so or from bias and ignorance. Just as 2+2 is 4, regardless of your ignorance and bias or you saying otherwise.
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I'm just trying to follow your logic, but I admit that I'm having a hard time at it.

Al-Fatihah said:
Yet no social study or experiment supports the claim. So it has no logical basis.
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More correct: You are not aware of any social study or experiment that supports the claim.
Also: I am not aware of any social study or experiment that support your claim. So your position has no logical basis?

Al-Fatihah said:
Response: You are making the assumption that they are more spiritual and most peaceful. You yourself are not openly naked nor live amongst them. So there is no logical basis for your assumption.
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He is not making an assumption, he is using firsthand experience so his say so is superior to your secondhand evidence.
 
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I hate the Burka etc. I grew up seeing Mums with Habits.

The anti-burka etc is rooted in the idea: "Appearances are deceptive" principle.
and also rooted in the idea: "Muslim women wear it only to be obedient to the 'Capo'".
AND btw, nor is there a "Hobson's choice".

YET...IMO... I hate western women wear "Yoga Pants" [how ironic!!!]
Obviously this is crude animal stupid. Hey lady! YOU ARE IN YOUR PANTY HOSE!
HEY QUEEN ASS! YOUR NUDE! YOU'RE WEARING ONLY PANTY HOSE!

Now, the real problem is fat - stupid - insipid - un-educated - un-skilled - ditzy - low-wage - low-EQ - un-sophisticated - multi-tattooed dingbat walking around this way ... that's not an auspicious deportment. It a routine for base soap-operas.

So there's both sides of the coin.
 
Hee Hee... CORRECTION, I meant to say:

I grew up seeing Nuns wearing Habits.

<PS: I also grew up seeing Mums with (bad) Habits.>
 
Aussie Thoughts said:
Fraid not mate. I'm Australian. Many aboriginals live and work on our family farm. We've worked closely with the native peoples of Australia from the time my ancestors arrived here in the late 1600's. I grew up listening to stories and songs of the dreamtime. Our family routinely enlists the help of native tribes during harvest. My knowledge of Aboriginal society does not come from books or TV. It's first hand.
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Response: I'm referring to those who freely roam naked in public. Secondly, your knowledge is not firsthand as you are wearing clothes, while telling us what it is like to not wear clothes in public. Now when you walk the streets naked or live in the jungle or forest as they do, with no running water , electricity, heat, television, car, or sophisticated shelter and live just as they do and tell us that you are more peaceful, then you will have firsthand evidence. The very fact that you purposely choose not to makes my point.
 
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A Cup Of Tea said:
I'm just trying to follow your logic, but I admit that I'm having a hard time at it.


More correct: You are not aware of any social study or experiment that supports the claim.
Also: I am not aware of any social study or experiment that support your claim. So your position has no logical basis?


He is not making an assumption, he is using firsthand experience so his say so is superior to your secondhand evidence.
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Response: To the contrary, your proof he is using firsthand evidence is because he says so, so by your own say so logic you both are incorrect....because I say so.

And whether you are aware of firsthand evidence of my claim has no logical basis to refute my claim. Additionally, you have no evidence against my claim so what is your point?
 
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Did someone say no violence exists when everyone is naked? I don't believe so... We have said there is noticeably less violence, less sexual tension... nothing is hidden, nothing to wonder what is under that....

It is in my mind whatever floats your boat...and anyone telling me what I can or cannot wear...or what my friends can or cannot wear... Heck it is obvious amongst muslims you can't ascertain how much ankle, belly, or face is acceptable...same exists everywhere. Winter time around here young guys see a slit up a long skirt and catch some calf get excited... In the pool where women are wearing hardly nothing...the calf does not excite...they are now glued to cleavage and genitals behind their mirrored glasses...at the nude beach we can now talk philosophy while nipples and pubes are ignored because they are commonplace.
 
wil said:
Did someone say no violence exists when everyone is naked? I don't believe so... We have said there is noticeably less violence, less sexual tension... nothing is hidden, nothing to wonder what is under that....

It is in my mind whatever floats your boat...and anyone telling me what I can or cannot wear...or what my friends can or cannot wear... Heck it is obvious amongst muslims you can't ascertain how much ankle, belly, or face is acceptable...same exists everywhere. Winter time around here young guys see a slit up a long skirt and catch some calf get excited... In the pool where women are wearing hardly nothing...the calf does not excite...they are now glued to cleavage and genitals behind their mirrored glasses...at the nude beach we can now talk philosophy while nipples and pubes are ignored because they are commonplace.
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Response: Yes. You have said that there is noticably less violence. That is my point. It is just a saying. Not a claim backed by any rational evidence.

However, my position is that modesty brings out the utmost in compassion and sensitivity amongst people. So even if the indigenous are less violent is not the issue. I only mentioned violence in response to someone mixing nudity and peace together as if nudity someone causes less violence.

As I implied before, you are likely laying on your nice couch or bed in your comfortable home with a laptop, telling us a bunch of naked people in the jungle are less violent. Well, until you actually leave your laptop and bed behind and get naked and live in the jungle or remote region with them, then we can believe you.
 
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Al-Fatihah said:
I'm referring to those who freely roam naked in public.
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In #37 you were talking about isolated tribes. "In fact, there are many isolated tribes to this day that are openly nude, and they are the most backwards and barbaric people on Earth." Open nudity is common place among traditional Aboriginals within their tribal setting and like I said, compared to those who have been assimilated into mainstream society, there's far less incidence of violence, drug and alcohol abuse. All I'm saying is, living openly nude in a primitive setting does not automatically make you a blood thirsty barbarian. In my experience, the Aboriginal peoples who live this way are just as loving and caring as anyone else, if not more.
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I'm referring to firsthand evidence as my source and study. What I have studied and observed myself.
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Me too.

Cheers
 
Aussie Thoughts said:
In #37 you were talking about isolated tribes. "In fact, there are many isolated tribes to this day that are openly nude, and they are the most backwards and barbaric people on Earth." Open nudity is common place among traditional Aboriginals within their tribal setting and like I said, compared to those who have been assimilated into mainstream society, there's far less incidence of violence, drug and alcohol abuse. All I'm saying is, living openly nude in a primitive setting does not automatically make you a blood thirsty barbarian. In my experience, the Aboriginal peoples who live this way are just as loving and caring as anyone else, if not more.

Me too.

Cheers
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Response: Again, no one said open nudity automatically makes you a blood thirsty barbarian. I said clothing and modesty is what makes people utmost in being compassionate and sensitive. So no matter what you have seen amongst primitive people who are naked in public, they are still not more compassionate and sensitive than those who clothe themselves and are modest. Referring to primitive people as evidence is not firsthand evidence since you yourself is not a primitive person who is naked in public, living amongst them.

Now when you decide to walk the street naked, you and the women close to you, that is firsthand evidence and the evidence will clearly show that you will receive less compassion and sensitivity, thus making my point.
 
Lol...so your.proof is....

If.a naked couple.were to walk down a street, they would.be accosted.by, and demeaned by clothed.people...

Others nakedness makes normally compassionate and sensitive people into mouthy snobs....

Luv the logic!!!
 
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Lol...so your.proof is....

If.a naked couple.were to walk down a street, they would.be accosted.by, and demeaned by clothed.people...

Others nakedness makes normally compassionate and sensitive people into mouthy snobs....

Luv the logic!!!
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Response: Good, although I can't follow as your English is broken.
 
Aussie Thoughts said:
Lot of fully clothed terrorists out there mate. Ain't seen a naked one yet. Guess not everybody got the memo.o_O
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Response: A lot of fully clothed non-terrorists too. And we still haven't claimed a noble peace prize or humanitarian award to someone completely naked. I guess no memo to them either.
 
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