This Life and the Next

I'm not that well versed in Samskaras myself. Just what I've picked up along the way speaking with Pandits and other Hindu holy men in Fiji. The consensus there is that what I had experienced was indeed that of a past life. Some have cited this as the reason I felt compelled to come to Fiji in the first place. Unfinished business as it were.
I cry when watching WW2 movies. It's embarrassing if I am caught doing so. And if someone said "Why are you crying?" I think that they know little of history. I have to guard against being caught. When I do see the movie Dunkirk, I will have to make plans. And btw, I never know which scene will affect me the worst.

When Red Buttons was hanging from the steeple tower clock in the Longest Day!
When the German gave his overcoat to the Jew in The Pianist!
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I happen to collect WW2 DVD documentaries
 
I cry when watching WW2 movies.
Bad past life experience; do you suppose? I've never cared for war movies myself. At least not the ultra realistic variety. Could be something to that I suppose. Come to think of it, I avoid any movie or tv show centering around death. The wife on the other hand just loves her British murder mysteries. Wonder who she was in a past life?:eek:
 
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Why is it embarrassing to cry?
It's a reverse embarrassment ---I don't want to be mocked in the least esp by someone who doesn't have a grasp of the fate of those that were there.
I'd have to endure one's doltishness whilst lamenting another's fate in life.

It like the trauma I felt as a kid seeing the final scene of planet of the apes [It was "after all people have gone through, now there's this"]:


It's a carrot or stick world:
Laughter at Film Brings Spielberg Visit
Published: April 13, 1994
OAKLAND, Calif., April 12— On Jan. 17, Martin Luther King Jr. Day, school was closed and a science teacher offered to take 70 high school students to see the Holocaust movie "Schindler's List," although they begged to see "House Party 3." When a trip to the ice-skating rink was thrown in to sweeten the deal, they accepted.

But the field trip ended abruptly when theater patrons complained that some of the Castlemont High School students, most of whom are black, had laughed at a scene in which a Nazi soldier casually shoots a Jewish woman. The theater owner stopped the projector, turned on the lights and told the students to leave.

Although students publicly apologized a few days later, life at Castlemont High has been disrupted ever since. The incident has put the school in the intense spotlight of the news media and drawn the attention of government officials. Several classes have been canceled for assemblies and workshops, where students have listened to historians, psychologists and counselors talk about tolerance, black history and the news media.

On Monday, classes were canceled again for yet another assembly. This time, the speaker was Steven Spielberg, the director of "Schindler's List."

"I want you to know that I believe that Castlemont High School has received a very bad rap about what happened on Martin Luther King Day," Mr. Spielberg told the crowd. Students popped out of their seats to take his picture.

"I was thrown out of 'Ben-Hur' when I was a kid for talking," he said. "I think we have to put this under the heading 'privileges of youth.' "
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/13/us/laughter-at-film-brings-spielberg-visit.html#h[]
 
Bad past life experience; do you suppose?
To be blunt: When I posted about "samskaras" ---I posted what I found on-line. What I could have said off-the -top-of-my-head was: Samskaras are usually "Painfull" impressions that steer in the direction that the soul travels toward. [that's the little bit I know about the term]
 
What I could have said off-the -top-of-my-head was: Samskaras are usually "Painfull" impressions that steer in the direction that the soul travels toward.
A Pandit I had spoke with some years back described samskaras as triggers set by past events that lead us in one direction or the other. Greatly oversimplified I'm sure, but it satisfied my level of understanding at the time.
 
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My non-existent sense of direction is a source of great amusement in my family. It's well known I'll get to the end of the road and have to track the route in my mind to find out if I turn left or right. My partner, on the other hand, has the instincts of I-know-not-what but is faultless in finding her way from A to B, or even A to T.

So our trip to Japan this spring was always going to be interesting.

First stop was five days in Kyoto. Now I had an advantage in that I was visiting places I'd read about. We had a full itinerary, with at least three sites a day. We walked over 100 miles in ten days ... and my navigation was nigh-on flawless, whereas she, after the second day, was only too happy to absolve herself of getting us home after comments from me like, "No, I think you'll find the so-and-so shrine round this corner, and then our road is diagonally across over there ...

Never got any 'I've been here before' feelings, but most of our friends, in a discussion on reincarnation, would agree without a moment's hesitation that there's something Japanese about me.
 
I cry when watching WW2 movies. It's embarrassing if I am caught doing so. And if someone said "Why are you crying?" I think that they know little of history.
You know, reading over this again, I'm reminded of something I've not thought about for a very long time. When I was about 7 we moved to a new house and this sweet old lady from a few doors down came to welcome us. The moment she laid eyes on me she was taken aback. "Oh my, such an old soul," she said softly. I never did know what she meant by that.

Anyway, after that whenever she saw me she'd invite me over for ice cream or whatever treat she happened to have. I don't remember much about our conversations, but she always ended up slicking my hair back in an old fashioned way before I left. Thing is, as soon as I got back home I'd cry for no reason.

Fearing the worst, my mom forbid me from ever going back and I never did. The old lady passed some months later and we found out that her only son had died in WWI. I suppose I must have reminded her of him or something.
 
Never got any 'I've been here before' feelings, but most of our friends, in a discussion on reincarnation, would agree without a moment's hesitation that there's something Japanese about me.
Been eating your Shepherd's Pie with chopsticks again aye?;)
 
I don't get what you might be saying (Question Mark)

You state what is not being address--- then add a Question Mark--- and then omit your assertion of what it is (in your opinion).

I don't get.

Are you aware the historic (secular) use of the concept of zero?

Wiki says:
The first known English use of zero was in 1598.
The ancient Greeks had no symbol for zero (μηδέν), and did not use a digit placeholder for it.[17] They seemed unsure about the status of zero as a number. They asked themselves, "How can nothing be something?", leading to philosophical and, by the medieval period, religious arguments about the nature and existence of zero and the vacuum.

Transmission to Europe
The Hindu–Arabic numeral system (base 10) reached Europe in the 11th century, via the Iberian Peninsula through Spanish Muslims, the Moors, together with knowledge ofastronomy and instruments like the astrolabe, first imported by Gerbert of Aurillac. For this reason, the numerals came to be known in Europe as "Arabic numerals". The Italian mathematician Fibonacci or Leonardo of Pisa was instrumental in bringing the system into European mathematics in 1202, stating:

After my father's appointment by his homeland as state official in the customs house of Bugia for the Pisan merchants who thronged to it, he took charge; and in view of its future usefulness and convenience, had me in my boyhood come to him and there wanted me to devote myself to and be instructed in the study of calculation for some days. There, following my introduction, as a consequence of marvelous instruction in the art, to the nine digits of the Hindus, the knowledge of the art very much appealed to me before all others, and for it I realized that all its aspects were studied in Egypt, Syria, Greece, Sicily, and Provence, with their varying methods; and at these places thereafter, while on business. I pursued my study in depth and learned the give-and-take of disputation. But all this even, and the algorism, as well as the art of Pythagoras, I considered as almost a mistake in respect to the method of the Hindus (Modus Indorum). Therefore, embracing more stringently that method of the Hindus, and taking stricter pains in its study, while adding certain things from my own understanding and inserting also certain things from the niceties of Euclid's geometric art. I have striven to compose this book in its entirety as understandably as I could, dividing it into fifteen chapters. Almost everything which I have introduced I have displayed with exact proof, in order that those further seeking this knowledge, with its pre-eminent method, might be instructed, and further, in order that the Latin people might not be discovered to be without it, as they have been up to now. If I have perchance omitted anything more or less proper or necessary, I beg indulgence, since there is no one who is blameless and utterly provident in all things. The nine Indian figures are: 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1. With these nine figures, and with the sign 0 ... any number may be written.[42][43]

Here Leonardo of Pisa uses the phrase "sign 0", indicating it is like a sign to do operations like addition or multiplication. From the 13th century, manuals on calculation (adding, multiplying, extracting roots, etc.) became common in Europe where they were called algorismus after the Persian mathematician al-Khwārizmī. The most popular was written byJohannes de Sacrobosco, about 1235 and was one of the earliest scientific books to be printed in 1488. Until the late 15th century, Hindu–Arabic numerals seem to have predominated among mathematicians, while merchants preferred to use the Roman numerals. In the 16th century, they became commonly used in Europe.
Yes. But zero can be used in the sense of nothingness, or else may be used in the sense of black/ white open/shut noughts/crosses. The only true duality of emptiness is fullness. The duality of nothing is infinity, not something? I use the question mark in the sense of "imo".

As I said if I owe you $100 and only pay you back $1 the difference will immediately cease to be merely philosophical, lol?
 
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I don't fully embrace the idea of reincarnation ...
Nor do I, especially at the level of personality ...

I don't know. Is it possible? Could it be? All questions I keep asking myself whenever I'm near my new niece. Thoughts?
My perennial question is who/what reincarnates? It seems to me the indicators we see are those which Buddhism, for example, declares as ephemeral and illusory.

Morphic resonance. Largely categorised as pseudoscience, I would not write the concept off completely, and it seems far more likely to me than reincarnation, and explains most of that as well as related phenomena.
 
Nor do I, especially at the level of personality ...
Can't say. Although, most Aboriginals seem to believe personality is shaped by past lives and events. Sort of like that samskara thing Bhaktajan and NJ spoke of earlier.
My perennial question is who/what reincarnates?
That's the million dollar question. In NJ's experience, those others have said are reincarnates not only display similar personality traits and abilities, but share certain physical attributes as well. So I don't know. I do know that my new baby niece isn't half weirding me out though.

Our Nanna Gymea use to do this thing when so didn't like something. She'd fold her arms, suck in her bottom lip and give you a look that'd stop you in your tracks. Now danged if this little child that can't even sit up on her own yet isn't doing it. Could be I'm just projecting my memories of Nanna Gymea on her I suppose, but then I'm not the only one to notice it. It's like, people come 'round the house to see the baby and next thing you know someone's saying, "Hey, didn't Nanna Gymea do that?"o_O

Morphic resonance. Largely categorised as pseudoscience, I would not write the concept off completely, and it seems far more likely to me than reincarnation, and explains most of that as well as related phenomena.
I just skimmed over that. Not unlike the Aboriginal concept of collective souls. In which the same soul can inhabit more than one individual at the same time or that all souls are interconnected through a common source. Some take it a step further to also include non-human and inanimate objects.
 
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When you do, lets PM and share moments. I've seen it, I know mine ...
With great chagrin I must reply that it will be a while ... because I will avoid seeing it in a public theatre.

There's an old 2WW Movie called: Mrs. Miniver
The story leads up to the Dunlirk evacuation. There is a scene that always haunted me ---the lighting was surreal but authentic---
It is this scene in the movie:

A Nazi paratrooper is no match for Mrs. Miniver, who faces him alone in her kitchen:
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She is startled to discover a wounded German pilot (Helmut Dantine) hiding in her garden, and he takes her to the house at gunpoint. Demanding food and a coat, the pilot aggressively asserts that the Third Reich will mercilessly overcome its enemies. She feeds him, calmly disarms him when he collapses, and then calls the police. WIKI
 
Oh no, of course not. I hope I didn't seem to be implying that
Not at all. I was referring to my own comment about what I had read regarding the body storing memory and brain injuries sometimes altering speech patterns. In other words, I think there's more to transplant patients having memories associated with the organ donor or people awaking from comas with foreign accents than just the clinical explanation.
 
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With great chagrin I must reply that it will be a while ... because I will avoid seeing it in a public theatre.
OK ... Pity, as in 35mm screen projection it's a different experience, but I get you.
 
Can't say. Although, most Aboriginals seem to believe personality is shaped by past lives and events. Sort of like that samskara thing Bhaktajan and NJ spoke of earlier.
Here's my problem:
In Buddhism, as I understand it, there is no soul. There is no core being or 'ground' of the person, and everything the person is, is incidental, ephemeral — but it's precisely this ephemeral, incidental stuff that people talk about, all the fruit of maya that is seen as unfortunate and which condemns the 'whatever' to the rather bleak prospect of samsara, of forever walking round in circles.

In Hinduism, again as I understand it, the soul is Atman, but Atman transcends the individual, and bears in itself non of the individual traits that are viewed of indicators of a particular person having reincarnated. So while I can understand Atman as that which reincarnates, I don't see how Atman carries with it personality traits of a previous existence.

So while people might point at markers which they see as 'evidence' of reincarnation, from the traditional pov, that evidence, if indeed it is what it is (and again, morphic resonance makes a lot more sense in that regard), then it is somewhat unfortunate ... it means this new life is already 'lumbered' with the baggage of the old, before it's even begun ...

I am ready to accept that all this is an erroneous grasp of the doctrines, but until then, it's all I have to go on.

My information is taken from the Perennial Tradition, notably René Guénon and Marco Pallis, who dismiss most of the 'common' talk of reincarnation as the equivalent of sentimentalisms and superstition found in any religious tradition, but I have aired that before.

In NJ's experience, those others have said are reincarnates not only display similar personality traits and abilities, but share certain physical attributes as well.
A complete skeptic might look at this another way, and wonder whether the 'soul' or whatever, of a previous existence had not invaded/taken possession of the soul of another in an attempt to keep going? That an exorcism would be called for?

Not suggesting this is the case, but time and again it seems to me if 'B' is a reincarnation of 'A', then who exactly is 'B', not his/herself, that's for sure, but presumably an increasing conglomerate of past lives, and then perhaps moving to the Buddhist notion of there being no 'person' as such there at all, just a jumble of character traits residual from previous incarnations ...

... what Im trying to point to is reincarnation is discussed by those who already buy into the idea as an 'ideal', whereas it doesn't take much to turn that same idea into a nightmare.

Many seem to think it logical on sentimental reasons which one could dismiss as FOMO: 'just one bit of the cherry, that's unfair!', but I do wonder whether they'd buy into the idea so happily if 'they' are obliged to understand that 'they' don't actually exist ... with each incarnation 'they' become more and more insubstantial, inconsequential.

Aw, heck ... I'm not trying to 'piss on anyone's chips' here, but I sure sound like I am ...

Here's a filmplot:
You are a surveillance operative, listening to conversations from the various bugging devices that eavesdrop on your targets. All day you sit listening to their voices in your head, and then one day, that's all that's there, the voices, and you have been obscured completely ... (with apologies to The Lives of Others and Patricia Highsmith's sublime Ripley novels.)
 
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