TRUTH

Really, wil, this discussion isn't familiar at all? Like it it comes around once or twice a year...
 
Bhagwan said:
I dont believe it,it doesnt matter what anyone believes,none of the story lines are true,you can believe your a person on a planet in a country in a town bla bla bla none of it is true.Call it what ever you want.
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Says who nimrod?

You are not the controller. You only express desires of your preferences and rejection of your un-desirables.

Every moment you are obligated to preform actions that are called "Nature" IE crapping pissing and breathing.

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO YOUR REAL FATHER IS?
Your Mother told you.

If you think are declaring things based on your own opinion IT IS NOT TRUE... if you declare what is passed down by authorities, then you are a steward carrying out your obligations.

Stop the flowery words and quote authority...then you become an expert.
 
The 4 famous defects of the conditioned soul [aka, a spirit-soul in the material world, of repeated birth & death (aka, samsara)]:
“The four flaws of the conditioned soul are: to make mistakes; to be illusioned; to cheat; to have imperfect senses”

There are 8,400,000 species of life, spanning all forms of living creatures from amoebas in stool to demigods in celestrial abodes.

The ego is temporary. The souls' identity is a blank slate that is an individual persona. The souls may cultivate service to Godhead [or nirvana] or it may seek work of every sort.

"When a man gives up all varieties of desire for sense gratification, which arise from mental concoction, and when his mind, thus purified, finds satisfaction in the self alone, then he is said to be in pure transcendental consciousness.

One who is not disturbed in mind even amidst the threefold miseries or elated when there is happiness, and who is free from attachment, fear and anger, is called a sage of steady mind."

The threefold miseries are
(1) those miseries which arise from the mind and body,
(2) those miseries inflicted by other living beings, and
(3) those miseries arising from natural catastrophes over which one has no control.
http://vaniquotes.org/wiki/Threefold_miseries_are...

While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops attachment for them, and from such attachment lust develops, and from lust anger arises.

From anger, complete delusion arises, and from delusion bewilderment of memory. When memory is bewildered, intelligence is lost, and when intelligence is lost one falls down again into the material pool. -Gita 2.62-63
 
The illusion of a seperate self happens when you identify
with your experience.The process of identification involves believing that there is an "i"
that experiences phenomena.For example,there is identification if you believe that when a sound arises,there is an "i"
that hears the sound.
In reality,through direct experience,you can see that there is just hearing of the sound.
The addition of an "i" that hears the sound is merely conceptual and is unnecessary.
 
The ability to discriminate between what is butter and what is cream and what is milk and what is cheese is called "intelligence".
 
wil said:
you are a funny non person not living on earth not on a computer not posting on a website not speaking to anyone anywhere at anytime.
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can you answer my question about drinking the concept water?
what evidence have you got that i am a person?
 
Namaste Jesus said:
Thinking back, if Aussie remembers, there was a sign like that over the bar in a little neighborhood tavern him and I use to frequent back in the day. I remember the first time we had occasion to visit. Auss orders up a draft and when it came time to pay he points to the sign and says, "We was here yesterday mate." Bar keep chuckled and gave us that round and the next on the house...:D
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there is no such thing as the past or the future.
 
Bhagwan, I'm not sure the issue is with your metaphysics, but that you aren't explaining it very well. In one sentence you stat that there is no 'I' and in the next you write "i am a person". The inconsistency is troublesome. I don't you can do much in this discussion, no matter how much you want to explain, I would go back to the drawing board and work on how to articulate complex ideas.

Best of luck either way.
 
A Cup Of Tea said:
Bhagwan, I'm not sure the issue is with your metaphysics, but that you aren't explaining it very well. In one sentence you stat that there is no 'I' and in the next you write "i am a person". The inconsistency is troublesome. I don't you can do much in this discussion, no matter how much you want to explain, I would go back to the drawing board and work on how to articulate complex ideas.

Best of luck either way.
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Where did i write "I AM A PERSON"? ..............What is troublesome is people trying to be clever,and not looking at their experience,and how that differs from what their thoughts are saying.
 
Contemplating my illusion being imaginarily hungry, using imaginary fork to eat imaginary food...

it has all made me imaginarily obese.

and to use imaginary words, while typing on an imaginary laptop
 
wil said:
Contemplating my illusion being imaginarily hungry, using imaginary fork to eat imaginary food...

it has all made me imaginarily obese.

and to use imaginary words, while typing on an imaginary laptop
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So youve changed your name to be on here,does that mean you dont exist?
 
Bhagwan said:
So youve changed your name to be on here,does that mean you dont exist?
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I haven't changed my name...oops...lost again...but if I had...that also would mean nothing. My kids call me Dad, my Mom, son, my sister calls me brother, my niece Uncle...none of those change my existence...they just define our relationship.
 
wil said:
I haven't changed my name...oops...lost again...but if I had...that also would mean nothing. My kids call me Dad, my Mom, son, my sister calls me brother, my niece Uncle...none of those change my existence...they just define our relationship.
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youve just proved my point,it doesnt matter what we call things none of the story lines are true.
i didnt say it changes existence.
 
Bhaktajan II said:
Says who nimrod?

You are not the controller. You only express desires of your preferences and rejection of your un-desirables.

Every moment you are obligated to preform actions that are called "Nature" IE crapping pissing and breathing.

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO YOUR REAL FATHER IS?
Your Mother told you.

If you think are declaring things based on your own opinion IT IS NOT TRUE... if you declare what is passed down by authorities, then you are a steward carrying out your obligations.

Stop the flowery words and quote authority...then you become an expert.
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Religion holds no truth
Apparent others can't give you truth
You can't find truth
You ARE truth
its effortless to see
only thought says otherwise...................you stop your flowery words.
 
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