DOES GOD LEARN FROM MEN?

[OrtaYol]

My preferred way of saying the rock thing is this: Can God have a thought so complex that even She can't understand it?

Later on you say that God can in fact have a thought so complex that (S)He cannot understand it. So, a failure to understand something does not provide a contradiction to Gods omnipotence?

My take would be that this is impossible since not understanding a thought can only come from a lack of knowledge which is something that God does not suffer from.

One thing on the nature of being omnipotent. Omnipotent means without limitations. This means God is not limited by the laws of logic or physics. So God can be more than one thing at the same time and still be a thing. Of course, thing implies limitation so there's that. But God can certainly create a rock he could not lift or have a thought so complex he would not understand it. God is all things at the same time. Logic has to do with language. God is not represented with language very well.

My apologies if I have misunderstood but this seems to be a jumble of contradictions. You say God is without limitations but then go on to suggest that God is limited(can’t lift a rock or understand a thought). You say that He can be many things then go on to say that these things that He can be have their own limitations.


If God is all things at the same time, is He then both not able to lift the rock and able to lift the rock/understand the thought at the same time? If God creates this rock He cannot lift and then decides that He wants to lift it, what does that mean for His omnipotence?


I do agree that God is not limited by logic, this is because God IS logic, every one of His “actions” are pure logic. Which is why imo the closest a human can come to a “language” of God is probably mathematics.

I think it is the wrong to think God cannot know the future.

It is a subtle distinction but an important one. I do not think God cannot know the future, I think that God does not know the future. He could know the future but this would remove our freewill. I don’t think not knowing the future provides a challenge to Gods omnipotence because I do not think the future exists yet and is therefor not there to be known, unlike the past(existed) and the present(existing) the future is merely a possibility of all that might exist.


If I were to imagine a man with no face and then asked you what colour are the mans eyes, you could not answer the question even if you had all the knowledge in existence because the only knowledge of this man is what I have thought and I have not thought about the colour of his eyes. The knowledge simply doesn’t exist. It would in no way affect your omniscience.

What makes more sense to you. We have one Universe with one set of realized possibilities. Or every possibility exists in a multiverse of time where God is the consciousness of the entire enchilada.

I lean towards the many worlds theory but really I think God could make either way work. I mean based on what you said earlier about God being all things at the same time shouldn’t you believe that God is both the creator of a Universe with one set of realised possibilities and also the creator of a multiverse?

Based on a trinity way of thinking about God I would say God does not experience time at all but experiences everything that is going to happen all at once in a perfect unity of completeness.

Isn’t not experiencing time another limitation on God? Also does anyone really understand what experiencing time all at once even means?

If we are going to nitpick at all about the scope of existence then it also makes no sense at all that anything exists at all as opposed to nothing.

What doesn’t make sense about it? Why does it have to be either nothing exists or everything exists?

So why not choose everything exists because then understanding the word God is so much easier.

Because I don’t know if everything exists.

If we have just one Universe then we have to discuss God's purpose or our purpose. At least if a multiverse of every possibility being realized there's nothing left to say about purpose.

Why does a multiverse of every possibility eliminate purpose?